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One very telling, very important impromptu remark that a "non-politician" said that Wednesday still resonates.

"But they TOLD me to vote the number 2 spot. They TOLD me to vote number 2." This from a very distraught elderly woman who was talking about th driver who took her to the polls Tuesday.

First, she has no mind - she only does what "they" tell her to do.

Second she has no idea of "who" to vote for, only "number two" position.... That's all she's apparently capable of remembering.

And, the number two spot was Buchanan, NOT Gore. Which DOES explain some of the Buchanan-to-Gore confusion.! The democrat operators were telling their voters to vote for the wrong guy.

Third, if ONE democrat operator (the bus/van driver) got the WRONG information, then others are likely to have the wrong information. Thus, the illegal double-puncher, who can't see anything on the stack of ballots that he is punching, could easily have been punching the wrong holes all day.

And his boss, the democrat poll watcher/poll official, would never know it until after the job was done, and probably, until AFTER the botched up ballots were deposited.

And, the number two spot was Buchanan, NOT Gore. Which DOES explain some of the Buchanan-to-Gore confusion.! The democrat operators were telling their voters to vote for the wrong guy.

Actually, you *can* see a number on the computer card that corresponds with a number listed next to each candidate on the ballot. My county used to use the same type of ballot, so I am sure of this.

George W. Bush was hole #3. Pat Buchanan (slightly below and across the page on the butterfly ballot) was hole #4. Al Gore was hole #5. While the names on the ballot are off-set from each other as you go down the page, the holes on the card are in a straight column so #4 is directly under #3 on the card and #5 is directly under #4.

Bush, as the candidate of the ruling party in the state (his brother) had the top spot on the ballot. Gore was supposed to come next and in the sample ballots first distributed by Theresa LePore, then a Democrat and a member of the PBC election board, Gore was indeed supposed to come next. At some point, however, the decision was made that Gore would be more easily found if his name was under Bush instead of across the page so they swapped Gore and Buchanan. Gore was moved from hole #4 to hole #5.

"Vote Number Two" becomes ambiguous, then, since there is no "#2" on the ballot and the voter isn't sure if Number Two would be the one below the first name or the one across the page from the first name.

For a more detailed explanation of my scenario, click here:

The fraud had already been committed before the grannies started voting and if somebody hadn't screwed up and made thousands of votes for Buchanan, there would have been no need to put the cover story into action. The fact that they used telemarketers and the willing media to plant the "butterfly ballot" story BEFORE the polls closed tells me that they realized their error AFTER stuffing the ballots but at a point that was too late to fix. A cover story needed to be hatched and so the "butterfly ballot" caper began.

My scenario differs from yours in one key point and that is that I don't think Buchanan attracted as many voters as you give him credit for and even Buchanan said so. It's one thing for Buchanan to get a lot of support in a Republican primary when he is part of a field of Republicans. It is another thing for him to get a lot of support when he is essentially a spoiler for the Republican most likely to win the White House. I think a lot of his support evaporates when voters know it will be a close vote between Bush and Gore. Even taking the official numbers into account, Buchanan received more votes in Palm Beach County than he did in practically the other 66 counties combined.

Sorry ~ in Palm Beach County ballots Buchanan had the #2 spot. In all other counties in Florida it was Gore who had the #2 position.

The fact the Democratic vote rigging operatives were focused on #2 throughout the state proves conclusively that the orders came from the very top of the heap!

Otherwise someone locally in Palm Beach County would have observed that if any cheating were to be done it would be necessary to focus on a different #.

This tends to absolve the local Dems who were running the vote count of blame in the matter although there is the question of that Dem who was running around with a Votamatic machie in the trunk of his car.

I think time has demonstrated that for the most part the local Dems were fairly honest folk although this cannot be said of the people who made up the Gore team at the state level. This moves me to inquire about how many of the local voting officials switched to the Republican party since 2000. (BTW, I am always startled to ever find an honest Dem.)