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The Myth of Socialization (Home-Schooling Alert)
Steel On Steel ^ | September 13, 2002 | John Loeffler

Posted on 01/11/2004 12:47:40 PM PST by handk

The Myth of Socialization
by John Loeffler, Steel on Steel Radio Program

September 13, 2002

Every time I run into a public school teen it happens. "Hi, Ryan." Unintelligible grunt response. "Whatcha doing?" "Nuthin'." "Anything happenin'?" "Naw." Whereafter Ryan hurries off to pursue his active life of nothing happening with his friends and I check to see if I have acquired dengue fever without knowing it. So tell me, where is this socialization the government school crowd always promotes as a reason for not home schooling?

When home schooling took on serious momentum two decades ago, educrats chanted the mantra that home schoolers couldn't pooooossibly get the same quality education that students in public schools had; nor could their parents teach them because they weren't qualified to do so. However, as home school scores on standardized tests soared above public school scores and home schoolers took top positions in national academic competition, that argument went down in flames; although some ideologues will try to resurrect it every now and then.

Stupidity Masquerading as a Virtue

Needless to say, home school's success was tres embarrassing for the educrats, who then contradicted their earlier arguments by complaining it wasn't fair to allow home schoolers in national competition because they had an unfair advantage over public schoolers. After all, those educated at home had more one-on-one time from those same parents the educrats originally said were too incompetent to educate their children.

Time for a New Mantra

The latest mantra asserts that home schooled kids -- although possibly better educated -- just can't be socialized in a home school setting. Once again experience is showing just the opposite.

Every week I go out of my way to speak to teenagers just to see what's going on in their minds. Too often the answer is nothing. Public school students seem to have this glassy, disorganized, disoriented look about them. They're preoccupied with things that don't matter, especially image and conforming to peer pressure. I really do keep trying to argue myself out of this observation but it grows inexorably the more teens I interview.

Changing Students' Attitudes, Values and Beliefs

This lack of social presence is a direct result of the "socialization" of our educational system. Thanks to the elitists, today's public school students are taught dialectically rather than didactically. This means they are taught there are no absolute facts or morals and a thought process based on feeling and collective thinking has been substituted for individuality and logical, rational thought. History has been revised to match politically-correct guidelines and the basis for belief in one's culture destroyed.

A large part of public curriculum is devoted to shaping attitudes and beliefs into a relativist, socialist mind set rather than educating the students in the solid education and the classics which served a previously-literate country well for generations. This accounts for the glassy look that so many public school students exhibit -- nothing going on upstairs. In talking with them, many of them would like to have something going on but just don't know what or how because their dialectic public education didn't teach them to achieve it. The bottom line on the dialectical is group think. Without a group, the individuals can't think.

Home schoolers on the contrary have escaped the morass of public educational theory and returned to the traditional form of didactic education: facts, phonics, mathematics, self-responsibility, and logical thought. It shows. Colleges are soliciting home schoolers because they can think uniquely and out-perform their public school peers. Three years ago when virtually everyone in my daughter's college speech class did speeches on global warming (even the professor yawned after the X-number speech on hot air), she did a blockbuster speech on the coming biological terrorism -- two years before anyone had ever heard of Osama bin Whatshisname – which held the whole class that listened in stunned silence. An “A” on that one, by the way.

Home schoolers are bringing fresh creative air into an otherwise stuffy academic environment, which is why it represents such a threat to the education establishment.

Oh But the Children!

Ok, so what about socialization? It doesn't really happen in public high schools because those are abnormal environments. Nowhere in life -- not even the military -- will one be associating strictly with people of one's own age or be subjected to massive amounts of mind-numbing, conformity-inducing peer pressure totally preoccupied with image and having northing to do with real life. Moreover they will be confronted with a myriad of moral and sometimes physical hazards which their relativistic education leaves them singularly unprepared to face. “Just say no” doesn’t cut it without a solid absolute moral basis for saying “no.”

The stratification of students into age-related peer groups has choked off the ability of teens to model from and communicate with those older than one's self, which is how maturational development is supposed to occur. It used to happen that way when students were educated at home or in small schools where the ages were mixed. One learns to be an adult from adults; not from other teens pretending to be cool, uh in, uh hip, uh groovey, uh rad, uh....what's the latest buzz word? In any stratified school situation, the students are forced to model after each other -- the blind leading the blind.

Combine deprivation from normal inter-age interaction with the imposition of values and beliefs contrary to their parents and one finds the adult-teen "communication gap" so widely posed as "normal;" another problem created by socialization in public education. It is also the source of the "normal" teen rebellion, which isn't normal at all. It's one thing to teach youth to be independent and self-sustaining but that doesn't require rebellion. Teen rebellion is the product of communication cutoff between teens and parents because they spend the majority of their days apart and in the case of teens in an artificial environment called public education.

Reality Shock

The moment teens leave high school, the majority of the so-called socialization in an artificial environment is found to be worthless. No one cares about their, feelings, socialization or image. “What can you do?” and “what do you know?” are the real questions. Once public schoolers emerge from high school, they discover that all the socialization skills they learned in dealing with peer pressure don't apply in the real world. Meanwhile the inter-age communication skills they need are sorely lacking. Most government schoolers I have met can't read, think, express themselves clearly and concisely, have little knowledge of anything from history to politics, and have a very distorted view of both history and society imposed upon them by a radical leftist curriculum.

Home schoolers don't suffer from the strictures of peer pressure and other artificial structures of public schools. They are, I have found, much better integrated than their public school counterparts, being as conversant with adults as with peers on a wide range of topics. They are skeptical of much of the peer-pressure nonsense their public school peers accept so readily because they have found they can truly be individuals without fear.

Socially, home schoolers congregate in soccer leagues, football leagues, baseball leagues, special events, ski trips, astronomy clubs, church groups, on the internet etc. So please, Mr. Sociologist, where help me find this appalling lack of socialization among home schoolers so we can stamp it out and stop depriving them of this most important asset? But you know, the more I think about it, home schoolers don't have to learn to put condoms on bananas, suffer from peer pressure, be introduced to illicit drugs, be subjected to one-sided radical leftist curricula, be taught moral values contrary to their parents or religion, be beaten up by bullies or even stabbed, shot and killed. But maybe we can do without that type of socialization for a while. What do you think?

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John Loeffler is host of the nationally-syndicated news program Steel on Steel heard at www.steelonsteel.com.




TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: diversity; education; educrats; homeschool; homeschooling; multiculturalism; myth; socialization; sociology

1 posted on 01/11/2004 12:47:41 PM PST by handk
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To: handk
Excellent article. Bookmarked.
2 posted on 01/11/2004 12:49:27 PM PST by petuniasevan
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3 posted on 01/11/2004 12:50:30 PM PST by Support Free Republic (I'd rather be sleeping. Let's get this over with so I can go back to sleep!)
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4 posted on 01/11/2004 1:00:31 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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5 posted on 01/11/2004 1:00:46 PM PST by Lyford
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To: handk
Bump for later read.
6 posted on 01/11/2004 1:04:14 PM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: handk
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7 posted on 01/11/2004 1:05:30 PM PST by Codeflier
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To: handk
The stratification of students into age-related peer groups has choked off the ability of teens to model from and communicate with those older than one's self, which is how maturational development is supposed to occur.
8 posted on 01/11/2004 1:05:59 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: handk
Bump!
9 posted on 01/11/2004 1:07:41 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
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To: petuniasevan
Perhaps it is an excellent article. I need to continue reading, but when analogies or descriptions employed to illustrate points are not factual, I become disgusted. For example, it was written...

check to see if I have acquired dengue fever without knowing it.

Dengue fever is not at all communicable directly from patient to patient and requires a specific type of mosquito to pass it.

I hope the author has his facts about home schooling straight. I'll force myself to continue reading.

10 posted on 01/11/2004 1:09:25 PM PST by Jemian
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To: handk
Stupidity as a virture?

Ignorance is Strength. (1984)


The socialization myth is rampant in the divorce courts when the judges us it to justify a child spending time in aftercare instead of a father's home after school or justifying the expense of daycare.

Sadly only those with the resources to hire and expert witness to debunk the socialization myth are able to fight back.

It is a leftist mantra that a left leaning governement sancitioned curriculum will provide socialization. Remember the TV show about the brilliant but socially inept homeschoolers?The JCPenny T-Shirt that said "home Skooled"?Have you heard the NEA or Teacher'Federation PSA radio commercials pushing socialization to expose "diversity"?

The who concept of socialization is the continued effort to eliminate self reliance and individuality as a characteristic in children.The left lives with the concept of an elite need to lord over the proletariate, to tell them how and when to live. (in reall life judges really live that because you have people whining every day in front of them.)
11 posted on 01/11/2004 1:09:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: handk
Our kids weren't home schooled but attended public and Catholic schools. We quickly learned, especially with the public schools that "socialization" means to sink to the lowest common denominator.
12 posted on 01/11/2004 1:10:37 PM PST by k omalley
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To: handk
SPOTREP - Passing this on to my homeschooling friends.

BTW - I am excited about teaching a Homeschool Enrichment Highschool class this semester. They are eager to learn, rarely a discipline problem, and very challenging - keeps me on my toes.

13 posted on 01/11/2004 1:12:23 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: handk
A book I was reading last night mentioned that Aaron Burr - famous for shooting Alexander Hamilton, and who can blame him? - started Princeton College at age 13! To enter, he had to have been a fluent reader and translator of Latin, Greek, and French; steeped in the literary classics in those languages; familiar with math at least through solid geometry; exposed to the natural sciences ... it's amazing what an education our children DON'T have!
14 posted on 01/11/2004 1:12:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Loeffler has really hit the nail on the head with his article. Very few teenagers I've "run into" while out and about are able to carry on the most basic social interaction. It's like "Invastion of the Body Snatchers" for real.

If they're working at a fast-food place, and you say the "right" words, i.e., what's on the script running in their head, then they're "OK". But if you deviate from the script, you can actually see, from the expression on their face, that their mind is short-circuiting. If it were a cartoon, there'd be little sparks shooting out their ears, with smoke.

To be fair, however, I've also met teenagers who are the exact opposite. Thinking, rationale, cognitive,... human.

15 posted on 01/11/2004 1:15:54 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: Jemian
A basically good article. I would have liked to see more empirical evidence supporting his contentions. The author uses "most" when speaking of government school results. I am not disputing the numbers of home schooling SATs vs. public school SATs. My kids scored off the percentiles themselves. It would have made a stronger article if he had similar data to support his socialization charge. We have a long road ahead of us. We need facts and figures to support what we know is correct.
16 posted on 01/11/2004 1:17:44 PM PST by Jemian
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To: Tax-chick
I know. I've got a copy of Joseph Story's "Commentaries on the U.S. Constitution", and it's amazing. I believe he wrote it in his "late" twenties.
17 posted on 01/11/2004 1:23:39 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: handk
Great post. This article is a "saver."

Ok, so what about socialization? It doesn't really happen in public high schools because those are abnormal environments. Nowhere in life -- not even the military -- will one be associating strictly with people of one's own age or be subjected to massive amounts of mind-numbing, conformity-inducing peer pressure totally preoccupied with image and having nothing to do with real life.

It is also the source of the "normal" teen rebellion, which isn't normal at all. It's one thing to teach youth to be independent and self-sustaining but that doesn't require rebellion. Teen rebellion is the product of communication cutoff between teens and parents because they spend the majority of their days apart and in the case of teens in an artificial environment called public education.

I've been saying these two things for years but have never seen these arguments in print (which of course makes the author brilliant :->).

These arguments against the current school structure are valid EVEN IF the schools do a good job of teaching and even if teachers and administrators aren't focused on brainwashing.

The moment teens leave high school, the majority of the so-called socialization in an artificial environment is found to be worthless. No one cares about their, feelings, socialization or image. “What can you do?” and “what do you know?” are the real questions. Once public schoolers emerge from high school, they discover that all the socialization skills they learned in dealing with peer pressure don't apply in the real world.

......unless they take a public-sector job.

And while we're at it, will someone please explain to me why we're wasting our time and untold billions sending kids to live in four or more years of similar artificiality at colleges (be it dorm or frat)/sorority)?

18 posted on 01/11/2004 1:40:30 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: handk
He doesn't mention a major problem with homeschooled students - getting them to shut up about everything they know and THINK they know!
19 posted on 01/11/2004 1:41:07 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: Jemian
It would have made a stronger article if he had similar data to support his socialization charge.

Empricial evidence would be nice but isn't really necessary.

Intuitively, do you think home-schoolers are better off or worse off than their factory-school counterparts in these areas (to pick a few off the top of my head):
- drug use?
- promiscuity?
- pre-marital pregnancy?
- STDs?
- communication skills with all age groups?
- critical thinking skills?
- independence in thought?
- courage of convictions?
- freedom from hazing?

I'd say it's up to the factory schools to prove their kids are on average better off than the home-schoolers, not vice-versa. I don't think they can.

20 posted on 01/11/2004 1:48:26 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: longtermmemmory
The who concept of socialization is the continued effort to eliminate self reliance and individuality as a characteristic in children.The left lives with the concept of an elite need to lord over the proletariat, to tell them how and when to live.

Bingo, deserving of a "post of the week" nomination (don't think there's an "e" at the end of "proletariat" though :->).

21 posted on 01/11/2004 1:51:43 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Tax-chick
He doesn't mention a major problem with homeschooled students - getting them to shut up about everything they know and THINK they know!

If that's the worst problem of home-schoolers, I'll gladly tolerate it. It beats being beaten into submission, conformity, non-participation, and doing the minimum necessary, which is the mindset of the typical factory-school attendee. That's even assuming there's no brainwashing or undermining of parental authority.

Perhaps you were paying homeschoolers a backhanded compliment. If so, sorry :->

22 posted on 01/11/2004 1:58:15 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Perhaps you were paying homeschoolers a backhanded compliment.

Perhaps ... perhaps I'm 9 months pregnant and surrounded by verbose, opinionated kids who don't stop talking even in their sleep. And did I mention they know EVERYTHING?

I suppose this isn't an issue with some homeschooled students ... it could be genetic.

23 posted on 01/11/2004 2:03:15 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: Tax-chick
Perhaps ... perhaps I'm 9 months pregnant and surrounded by verbose, opinionated kids who don't stop talking even in their sleep. And did I mention they know EVERYTHING?

I have a currently in public, previously (and hopefully in the future, again) in private school, child of the same nature. I think it could be because she is supplemented at home by parents and grandparents. It probably is genetic. Her grandma and mother are the same. : )

I hope this makes sense, she is talking my ear off right now, and I can't concentrate on writing!

24 posted on 01/11/2004 2:07:40 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: conservative cat
she is talking my ear off right now, and I can't concentrate on writing

Story of my life ... my oldest started talking at 6 months ... now she's almost 13. She's going to CPAC - another batch of opinions! They always want to use the computer, too!

Really, I'm thrilled that they're all bright and interested in everything (including what's none of their business ...). I'm just cranky over still being preganant!

25 posted on 01/11/2004 2:11:46 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: Tax-chick
May your delivery be safe and (as much as possible) quiet (until the newbie's first cry, of course :->).
26 posted on 01/11/2004 2:14:44 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Thank you very much! Hope you have a great evening :-).
27 posted on 01/11/2004 2:24:14 PM PST by Tax-chick (I reserve the right to disclaim all January 2004 posts after the BABY is born!)
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To: Vic3O3
pinger-roo
28 posted on 01/11/2004 2:42:15 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (Coffee, the elixir of life..or something resembling life.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
bttt
29 posted on 01/11/2004 2:47:39 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: handk
bttt
30 posted on 01/11/2004 6:24:30 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: handk
Another stake in the heart of liberal stupidity.

Good work.

31 posted on 01/11/2004 8:22:53 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Tax-chick
I feel your pain! I have a seven week old girl (and we already know she's a talker. She's already gooing and cooing away.)

I was right there with you a couple months ago! I am so happy to no longer be pregnant (went to my due date, too- the third one was the latest!!!) Best of luck to you- and may it be over quickly and safely.

32 posted on 01/11/2004 8:34:40 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: Tax-chick
LOL! God-bless you woman.
33 posted on 01/11/2004 8:52:54 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Reactionary
Actually, I didn't write the article. You must be new here, because I made the same mistake when I was new, thinking something was written by the poster, when if I had looked at the header information, I would have known it was written by somebody else.
34 posted on 01/11/2004 9:02:20 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: Jemian
We need facts and figures to support what we know is correct.

Try National Home Education Research Institute

35 posted on 01/12/2004 12:16:54 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: handk
BTTT Homeschooling. Thanks for posting this article, Handk!
36 posted on 01/14/2004 3:08:58 AM PST by bd476 (New Year's Resolution: Decrease FR online time to 1 hour a day... 23 more to go! *TFR 31st ed.*)
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To: Jemian
Perhaps it is an excellent article. I need to continue reading, but when analogies or descriptions employed to illustrate points are not factual, I become disgusted. For example, it was written...

"...check to see if I have acquired dengue fever without knowing it."

Dengue fever is not at all communicable directly from patient to patient and requires a specific type of mosquito to pass it.

I hope the author has his facts about home schooling straight. I'll force myself to continue reading.

Good gracious, Jemian! Your post is the worst case of nit-picking I have seen in quite a while.

I didn't know dengue fever needed a mosquito vector. Who cares? It's totally irrelevant to the subject at hand.

37 posted on 01/14/2004 4:46:01 AM PST by rmh47
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To: handk
The Myth of Socialization

...as opposed to the reality of the socialism in our public school system.

Excellent article. Bookmarked.

38 posted on 01/14/2004 4:52:55 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: handk
My daughter has a congenital condition that causes her to get sick more often than normal, and take longer to recover. She missed a lot of school, and keeping up with her schoolwork was difficult.

We eventually decided to home-school her. This turned out to be one of the best decisions we ever made., but I was hesitant at first because I was worried about her social development. This proved to be absolutely the least of all our problems.

There were all kinds of support groups and extra-curricular activities available: sports, music, clubs, skating, drama, huge picnics with the families. I was amazed at the number and variety. Her best friends today are people she met at these activities.

Perhaps in a very rural area, socialization of a home-schooled child might be a problem; but in a city on even modest size, there will be plenty of activities available if you look for them.

BTW, my daughter will graduate from college this Spring - magna cum laude. She plans to get a PhD. A dad's got to brag a little!

39 posted on 01/14/2004 5:11:54 AM PST by rmh47
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To: rmh47
A dad's got to brag a little!

You have every right to brag.You've raised someone from birth to adulthood,and it appears you've done a fantanstic job. Congratulations!Job well done!

40 posted on 01/14/2004 5:23:38 AM PST by quack
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To: handk
Good article. BUMP for later reading and discussion.
41 posted on 01/14/2004 5:44:31 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: Jemian
So what? This person communicates many important, salient points about the supposed "lack of socialization" in home schooling, and all you can say is the author incorrectly stated how dengue fever is contracted?

Not only is your obsevation pointless, but it's also totally incorrect. The author never says HOW the contraction "might" have occurred, just did it occur.

A Former Home School Student

42 posted on 01/14/2004 6:00:51 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
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To: rmh47
With a daughter like your's, there's hope for this nation. Good work!
43 posted on 01/17/2004 3:42:10 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: bd476
You're welcome!
44 posted on 01/17/2004 4:00:17 PM PST by handk (That's why I'm cheesy... I'm cheesy like macaroni...)
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To: handk
Loeffler has really hit the nail on the head with his article. Very few teenagers I've "run into" while out and about are able to carry on the most basic social interaction. It's like "Invastion of the Body Snatchers" for real.

If they're working at a fast-food place, and you say the "right" words, i.e., what's on the script running in their head, then they're "OK". But if you deviate from the script, you can actually see, from the expression on their face, that their mind is short-circuiting. If it were a cartoon, there'd be little sparks shooting out their ears, with smoke.

To be fair, however, I've also met teenagers who are the exact opposite. Thinking, rationale, cognitive,... human.

I know what you're talking about. I've had plenty of encounters with "the script". Your post reminded me of a comedian's stand-up bit I saw recently where he described his pleasure in "messing up" McJob employees, in particular, automatons who work at McDonald's. When asked what he wants, he looks up at the menu and says; "Yeah, I'd like some pan-fried catfish, cajun rice and hush puppies."

"Umm, gee sir, let me go get the manager..."

45 posted on 02/09/2004 12:33:13 AM PST by handk (The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits our Astro-Men. Will you be among them?)
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46 posted on 09/15/2005 9:53:41 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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