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US generals, admiral come out of the closet - flag fag officers
theage.com.au via g2mil.com ^ | December 11, 2003 | John Files

Posted on 01/11/2004 1:30:21 PM PST by Destro

US generals, admiral come out of the closet - flag fag officers

By John Files

Washington

December 11, 2003

Alan Steinman, Keith Kerr, and Virgil Richard. Picture: New York Times

Three retired US military officers - two generals and an admiral - who had been among the most senior officers to criticise the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for homosexuals in the military, have revealed that they are gay.

The three - army Brigadier-Generals Keith Kerr and Virgil Richard, and Rear-Admiral Alan Steinman of the Coast Guard - said the policy had been ineffective and undermined the military's core values - truth, honour, dignity, respect and integrity.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dontaskdonttell; ewwwwwthanks4sharing; gays; homosexualagenda; longmarch; prisoners
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To: Destro
Where's Wesley Clark?
81 posted on 01/11/2004 6:20:43 PM PST by madison10
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To: big ern
Close interval drill was a favorite.
82 posted on 01/11/2004 6:23:24 PM PST by mathurine
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To: fourhorsemen
key word is "potential"
83 posted on 01/11/2004 8:04:17 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
key word is "potential"

By that logic we ought to expell married folks from the military since they represent a "potential" security risk, given the high percentage of those who are married that engage in adulterous affairs?

If these people kept their sexual preferences to themselves during their time in the military, and they performed their duties admirably, then I have no problem with them, in fact I offer them my thanks for choosing to put their lives on the line to defend my freedom.

84 posted on 01/11/2004 8:22:16 PM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: steplock
and if left to nature they would naturally be extinct.

I'd argue that nature has created gays. I'd argue that it is a genetic predisposition.

85 posted on 01/11/2004 8:28:51 PM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: Destro
Creepy

The military is not immune from infection. It is better to cut the cancer out than watch the body die.

86 posted on 01/11/2004 8:31:41 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Lucky Dog
You have equated so-called "homosexual orientation" (to use the common term) with being homosexual. The two are not the same.

You probably know more about the topic than I do. But I do know a guy who acknowledges that he is gay because of his inclinations, but is still a virgin (he's a devout Catholic) It is quite possible that these officers are in the same category. For some reason you are assuming that just because they are admitting to be gay they have performed sodomy.

Further, you are also assuming that they knew they were gay when they entered the military as teenagers. It is also possible that they neither we sure of their orientation nor acted upon it when they joined.

87 posted on 01/11/2004 9:07:13 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: fourhorsemen
I'd argue that it is a genetic predisposition.

Great! Let's find the gene and start working on the cure!

88 posted on 01/11/2004 9:22:21 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Looking for Diogenes; little jeremiah
Your stretching it waaaaay to much for this forum. You need to start defining your own terms. Wait...I'll give you one..."pseudo-sodomite" --

Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, and Old French sodomie, from
Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities
of the men of the city in Gen 19:1-11 Date: 13th century
1 : apparently rather than actually having copulation with a member of the same sex or with an animal
2 : apparently rather than actually having noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex

You're funny. LOL.

89 posted on 01/11/2004 9:33:08 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Chief Inspector
Would you limit marriage to couples? Or would you extend it to any number of humans?
90 posted on 01/11/2004 9:40:02 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: big ern
"Rear Admiral" LOL

Rear Admiral on the poop deck!

91 posted on 01/11/2004 9:45:47 PM PST by Hacksaw (theocratic Confederate flag waving loyalty oath supporter)
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To: Chief Inspector
It is true that marriage laws allow for "hetero couples who can't produce naturally." These same laws prohibit fathers from marrying their own daughters and women from marrying their own sons irrespective of whether they can reproduce or not. Do you agree with these laws, or should they be thrown on the trash heap of outmoded conventions, too?
92 posted on 01/11/2004 9:48:40 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: I got the rope
Hmmm. I'd guess that your "pseudo-sodomy" would not be a violation of the USMCJ.
93 posted on 01/11/2004 9:50:55 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Chief Inspector
How about bisexuals? Should a bisexual be allowed to carry on in two marriages simultaneously: with a person of each sex?
94 posted on 01/11/2004 9:52:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Chief Inspector
I'll check back for your answers after you have replaced the blown fuse in the common sense panel of your brain.
95 posted on 01/11/2004 9:56:02 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Lucky Dog
"You are correct, sodomy in the UCMJ is not just homosexuality"

How many heteros, married or otherwise, do you suppose have been court-martialed for oral sodomy?

How many heteros, married or otherwise, do you suppose have perfomed oral sodomy?
96 posted on 01/11/2004 10:02:28 PM PST by rogator
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To: steplock
They're not Clinton Appointees how stupid! They were in the militry before Clinton became president!
97 posted on 01/11/2004 10:04:32 PM PST by merry10
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To: aynrandfreak
I cracked-up when I read your post!

Please, folks, get a sense of humor.
98 posted on 01/11/2004 10:22:10 PM PST by My Dog Likes Me
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To: rogator
How many heteros, married or otherwise, do you suppose have been court-martialed for oral sodomy?

There have been many, probably a dozen or so a year across all branches of military service.

You are unlikely to find oral sodomy charged alone--whether homosexual or heterosexual. It will generally be an add-on offense to a charge of adultery or conduct unbecoming an officer. But yes, it is prosecuted. At least it was when I was in the military.

99 posted on 01/11/2004 10:30:35 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: leadpenny
More like 1% of the population.........but they don't want you to know that.

I damned near had to process one out, myself. A co-pilot of mine. The crew (I 'inherited' this crew) insisted he was gay; tried to give me anecdotal evidence of it to add to his........shall we say.........flamboyant demeanor. I refused to hear it. Looking back, I think I just flat didn't want to deal with it as a young aircraft commander.

100 posted on 01/11/2004 10:35:58 PM PST by RightOnline
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