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Mark Steyn: The Love That Doesn't Like You Speaking Its Name
The Atlantic Monthly ^
| December 2003
| Mark Steyn
Posted on 01/13/2004 2:37:26 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: polemikos
Terrific article.
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posted on
01/13/2004 5:50:52 PM PST
by
hershey
To: quidnunc
In 1996, the Los Angeles Film Critics Association, mulling over their Career Achievement Award, decided to reject Elia Kazan and honour instead Roger Corman Give Corman a break. Sure, he's not a great artist on the level of Kazan, but he's made some fun films, and discovered a lot of great directors and actors-Martin Scorcese, Jack Nicholson, Robert DeNiro, Bruce Dern, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Demme, Joe Dante, etc.
To: FLAUSA
Behavior that the actor engages in off the screen sometimes affects the on screen perception. If an actor is a known gay activist, then it is hard for him to portray a straight man in a loving relationship with a woman. People just don't believe it. This can happen...but it doesn't happen for me. Lucky me.
I'm not saying I don't notice if an actor is miscast, if he can't properly portray his character. But I don't have to know anything about his personal life to make the judgement...and conversely knowledge of his personal life doesn't affect that judgement. I've seen perfectly straight actors portray wonderful gays...and I'm told that Clint Eastwood is a non-smoker in real life.
To: liberallarry
"I assume you're talking about the military talents of Lee and Jackson? Since I've already said I appreciated Hitler's talents how can you even ask?" Right answer. I just wanted to see if your broadmindedness extended to the Confederacy. With some people, it doesn't, y'know...
And I agree. As a skilled political showman, Adolf Hitler has no peer. Which demonstrates the dangers of voting for skilled political showmen, I suppose...
How could you possible have an objection to pigmeat, fried okra and a mess of greens, with sweet tea, followed by a slab of coconut creme pie?
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:00:39 PM PST
by
okie01
(www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
To: liberallarry
Hey LL, still alive and kicking, I see.
I, for one, find it disgraceful that certain celebrities rail against this country, without recognizing their wealth is a direct result of what this country stands for. All they can see is everything wrong, without being able to acknowledge how much this country has given them. I'm one of those who have a tough time separating politics and the person. Although I do admit some inconsistency. (face it, "The Princess Bride" is one of the best comedy/fantasies ever put on film)
I do have a tendency to avoid artists I disagree with, as I see no reason they should get my money.
Over the years, a lot of people have been brought down by personal scandal, because character was thought to count. Now look at what celebrity is. Would you really want your son dating Britney Spears? Jennifer Lopez? Paris Hilton or Nicole Richie?
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:04:00 PM PST
by
stylin_geek
(Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
To: liberallarry
Innocent people were hurt (or worse) by what Crawford and Robeson did (or failed to do). Things like that hardly qualify as motes, and I do everything in my power to look for beams like that in my own eyes.
46
posted on
01/13/2004 6:05:42 PM PST
by
91B
(NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
To: okie01
How could you possible have an objection to pigmeat, fried okra and a mess of greens, with sweet tea, followed by a slab of coconut creme pie? I've been wrong plenty of times. I do love coconut creme pie...if I'm ever down your way I'll try again. :)
To: 91B
Lots of people benefited by their actions too. Crawford was wonderful to a neighbor's children when they were in need. Judging a person's worth is a tricky business. Humans generally do a bad job of it - that's the meaning of the parable.
To: stylin_geek
Now look at what celebrity is A celebrity is not necessarily an artist and vice versa. What a tragedy!
To: liberallarry
We may not do a very good job of it, but that is no excuse not to try. If you don't make judgements about what is right and wrong, wrong will run rampant.
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:16:09 PM PST
by
91B
(NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
To: liberallarry
"
When I hear him sing I hear a great singer, when I watch Joan Crawford act I see a great actress, when I watch Muhammed Ali fight I see a great fighter."And when I see Ted Hall, I see a geat traitor, and when I see Joseph Stalin, I see a great murderer! ;^)
To: liberallarry
Which do you think would have required more effort on Crawford's part? The long term commitment to treat her daughter well or the short term act of doing good for her neighbor's children? I suppose that anybody can be kind from time to time, but doing so over the long haul requires character, and that is what makes the difference to me.
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:21:47 PM PST
by
91B
(NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
To: 91B
I make judgements about right and wrong...and I make judgements about art and beauty and talent.
To: nightdriver
And when I see Ted Hall, I see a geat traitor, and when I see Joseph Stalin, I see a great murderer! ;^) Makes me laugh...and think about Charlie Chaplin.
To: 91B
Fine. Don't enjoy her films.
To: liberallarry
Yes, very true, but look at how many times the two are conflated. Heck, I just did it. Streisand is now a one note shrill leftist, and her current stuff is just bad. Because of who she is, and being as she is such an ungrateful wretch, she does not need any more of my money. Although at one time she was both an artist and celebrity.
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:27:42 PM PST
by
stylin_geek
(Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
To: quidnunc
Elia Kazan was on the right side of history. His enemies line up with the apologists for thugs and tyrants. Whose reputation would you bet on in the long run? Amen.
To: stylin_geek
Yes, very true, but look at how many times the two are conflated Human beings have bad judgement?
To: okie01
Add some cornbread, yams and blackeye peas to that and I'm inviting myself over!
59
posted on
01/13/2004 6:35:55 PM PST
by
stands2reason
("Dean is God's reward to Mr. Bush for doing the right thing in the war on terror." Dick Morris)
To: stylin_geek
"Would you really want your son dating Britney Spears? Jennifer Lopez?
Paris Hilton or Nicole Richie?" My son -- certainly not! I'll date them instead!
(I'll just have to ignore the fact that they're air heads. But I'll manage somehow.)
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posted on
01/13/2004 6:38:13 PM PST
by
StormEye
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