[ex-snook]

Perle and Frum see a bogeyman in every Arab country. Let's be realistic. There isn't a world class Army, Navy, Airforce in the whole lot combined for the foreseeable future. All other major countries had WND in huge supplies before Arabs had. They have a backward society and economy. Their effort against this country was done by pilots trained here using our own planes and boxcutters. These are hardly the prerequisites for world conquest. Perle and Frum are alarmists.

[AAABEST]

Problem is they won't stop killing Americans and Jews.

Until this happens they need to be dealt with in the most harsh way possible. Much harsher than we have been.

The other problem is they're following a false prophet, which brings with it all kinds of problems. This needs to change as well.

[Southern Federalist]

Their effort against this country was done by pilots trained here using our own planes and boxcutters.

Who only managed to kill three thousand people, bring down the World Trade Center, do major damage to the Pentagon, and come within a hairsbreadth of obliterating the White House. A mere pinprick. Seems to me what 9-11 proved was that less than twenty people with box cutters could kill Americans within our borders in numbers that world class armies failed to do in two world wars.

My post said nothing about Napoleonic conquest by crack Arab troops. I have no fear that Syria could conquer the US, nor do Frum and Perle. The point is that the festering swamp of the Arab world breeds organized groups of terrorists whose goal is not to conquer the United States, but to corrode our national self confidence and erode our social peace until we implode, fall in upon ourselves in fear.

I don't see any reason that their effort could not succeed. No society's fabric of order is so strong that it could not descend into Liberian chaos within two or three generations. If the terrorists persist, and we try to "manage" the problem rather than put an end to it, there is every reason at least to fear that the day will come sooner or later when the government cannot control it.

The swamp breeds the terrorists, and the terrorists could not operate without the manifold connivance of the dismal corrupt states which maintain the swamp. It is surely at least reasonable to suggest that the only way to end the threat is to drain the swamp.

You pays your money and you takes your choice I suppose. You lot have nightmares of Mexifornia; I have nightmares of Monrovia USA, one big Belfast from sea to shining sea. You think people like me are alarmists; I think people like you are blind as bats. I don't know how to get past that, and I don't want to get into a shouting match about it.

[rmlew]

In 614 the Arabs were a bunch of losely organized warring tribes in the Hijaz. Within 30 years, they conquered Persia, the Levant, much of North Africa, and threatened Byzantium.

Growing numbers plus a warlike religion is a bad combination. But if you want to ignore history, demograpics, and the ideology of your opponents, go right ahead. May the chains of Dhimmitide rest lightly upon your children.