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"Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship" by Admiral Thomas Moorer USN (Ret.)
Houston Chronicle ^ | Jan 8, 03 | Admiral Moorer

Posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:22 PM PST by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
Those intercepts showed that the Israeli rescue pilots first identified the ship as Egyptian and gradually realized, after spotting a US flag, that the ship was American.

"A CIA memo of June 13 reported they had no intercepts from the attacking planes and torpedo boats, but that the helicopter pilots' communication left little doubt that the Israelis had failed to identify the Liberty as a US ship," said Harriet Schwar, editor of the newly released volume.

"A follow-up CIA memo on June 21st noted that the Liberty had been identified prior to the attacks but concluded that the Israelis were not aware at the time of the attack that they were attacking a US ship. It concluded that the attack was not made in malice, but was by mistake, representing gross negligence. The Defense Intelligence Agency reached a similar conclusion," Schwar added

22 posted on 01/14/2004 1:52:39 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: churchillbuff
ANyone thinking that this tragedy resulted in Israeli refusal to cooperate with America just better be reminded that during GulfWarI Israel staid put when the US told Israel to stay while Iraqi Scuds were bombing TelAviv.

This disaster can probably be credited for better US-Israel coordination nowadays. Bringing it back is would require us to bring back also our faults and granted behaviors with respect to Israel... such as arming Egypt and jew killing neighbors to the teeth.... for example.
23 posted on 01/14/2004 2:00:18 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: Walkingfeather
That's what I think the case is... the Israelis hit the USS Liberty because it was feeding information to the Arabs. It being a highly classified mission, the government went into coverup and denial mode.
24 posted on 01/14/2004 2:04:07 AM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: churchillbuff
You know, you could have just bet any amount of money that hopeless bastard McNamara would have played the part of recalling our jets and covering this up.

If I had my way he would be hung by the neck in Lafayette Square Park across the street from the White house and left to rot as a warning to all self appointed "elite" bureaucrats.

Regards,.

25 posted on 01/14/2004 3:56:46 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: churchillbuff
Click here for USS Liberty website...


26 posted on 01/14/2004 4:40:56 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: B4Ranch
There are whole groups of people who despise truth.
27 posted on 01/14/2004 4:52:53 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Walkingfeather
Sorry to say but we were playing both sides in this war and that is why the ship was hit. We were feeding some info to the egyptians and the isrealis stopped it.

Evidence?

28 posted on 01/14/2004 5:04:35 AM PST by aristeides
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To: B4Ranch
These people are looking for the truth, no matter how ugly it is

LOL!! You only want one conclusion and you won't stop until you hear it!! You're so full of crap it's beyond words.

Have fun shooting your cap gun on the Grassy Knoll.

29 posted on 01/14/2004 6:26:04 AM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: Walkingfeather
Didn't the U.S. give a hands off approach to Israel until after the 6-day war ?
30 posted on 01/14/2004 6:42:10 AM PST by mel
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To: churchillbuff
Everyone is missing the point here.

This topic is ancient history and has absolutely no connection to todays relationship between Israel and America.

I don't think anyone can really doubt Israels loyalty to the U.S. Everytime the U.S. even blinks disagreement, Israelis go into a public panic about who messed up and angered Uncle Sam. And this is even when Uncle Sam asks Israeli civilians to bleed a little bit for regional considerations.

Heck, Israel is the only nation that literally fights with America in Iraq (and elsewhere) without even being publically credited. And Israelis understand this.

The main point here, is that for some mysterious (or not so mysterious) reason, everytime U.S./Israeli relations hit an all-time high, the State Department (or similar anti-American organization) launches a 'discussion' of the Liberty incident.

The agenda here is clear.
31 posted on 01/14/2004 7:08:53 AM PST by solmar_israel (Break the alliance with Old Europe)
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To: solmar_israel
the State Department (or similar anti-American organization) launches a 'discussion' of the Liberty incident. "

You consider Admirar Moorer and other top military leaders who had responsibility over the men of the Liberty to be "antiamerican"? It think that's a slur against American patriots who merely want an accounting - a public investigation - of what happened, and why the Johnson administration may have actively prevented the rescue of American sailors. From your indifference to this issue, I have to assume 1) you had no relatives aboard the Liberty; and 2) you may be one of those peacnicks who doesn't support American troops.

32 posted on 01/14/2004 8:19:14 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: zarf
Have fun shooting your cap gun on the Grassy Knoll.

You slander Admiral Moorer and other American leaders who wear our uniform when you suggest that they're "Conspiracy theorists" merely because they want an investigation of why the Liberty was shot at over a period of some time, and why the Johnson administration may have actively prevented the rescue of the men of the Liberty. These were American soldiers and sailors. You don't care about what happened to them and why?

33 posted on 01/14/2004 8:22:02 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: claudiustg
This is a favorite topic for anti-Semites. They'll never let it go.

I consider your statement a vicious slander of Admiral Moorer, who is a patriot who cares about the men of the Liberty. Why were they shot at, with 32 being killed? Why didn't the Johnson administration, apparently, thwart rescue attempts? There's never been an open and public hearing or investigation by Congress. And when historians get together, as they did recently, to discuss that war, this incident often gets short shrift. Admirar Moorer thinks that's a disservice to the men who were shot and the men who died. It's despicable for you to slander his concerns by slinging a slur at him. Are the survivors of the Liberty - - - American troops all --- who have urged an official investigation all these years, also "antisemites"? If you think that, you have about as much respect for our troops as the peaceniks in the street.

34 posted on 01/14/2004 8:26:27 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: thoughtomator
That's what I think the case is... the Israelis hit the USS Liberty because it was feeding information to the Arabs. It being a highly classified mission, the government went into coverup and denial mode.

Evidence? You don't have anymore evidence for that explanation than we have for any other explanation - - - yet it's curious, with no evidence one way or the other, you leap to blame America first. You're Like the Leftists: America's wrong and others can do no wrong.

35 posted on 01/14/2004 8:29:37 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: JudgemAll
Bringing it back is would require us to bring back also our faults

Excuse me? You want this incident to go uninvestigated? That tells me you don't support American troops, and you had no relatives aboard the Liberty. You're one of the blame-American-troops-first bunch. (Whereas others -- or at least those who shot the Liberty, and, it seems, Lyndon Johnson, who for some reason didn't rescue the Liberty sailors, can do no wrong in your eyes)

36 posted on 01/14/2004 8:33:40 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: zarf
No amount of investigation will satisfy the Jew haters.

Sounds like you're one of those Leftists who's a hater of the American military. What other conclusion can I draw by your slur on Admiral Moorer and the men of the Liberty?

37 posted on 01/14/2004 8:35:26 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: zarf
Idiot warning.

So, with you sophmoric crayon picture, you want to make the point that Admiral Moorer (and the other retired military leaders, and the survivors of the Liberty) are idiots. That's like Bill Clinton calling Bush a lowlife.

38 posted on 01/14/2004 8:38:10 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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To: churchillbuff
Actually, the analogy is pretty apt. The Warren Commission Report and the official fairy tale about what happened to the Liberty have about the same amount of credibility.
39 posted on 01/14/2004 8:38:37 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
The Warren Commission Report and the official fairy tale

Of course, there has been nothing comparable to the Warren Commission for the Liberty. No official investigation. Shows how little regard our leaders have for our men in uniform. (Some freepers don't support the troops, either - - or at least not the sailors of the Liberty, because they slander people like Admiral Moorer who want an investigation of what happened and why the Johnson administration didn't come to these men's aid)

40 posted on 01/14/2004 8:41:33 AM PST by churchillbuff (?)
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