Israeli Rabbis Hope to Search Vatican

Associated Press ^ | Jan. 15, 2004 | Gavin Rabinowitz

[HarleyD]

Thanks NYer. I always do a search prior to posting. I've must have missed it.

[HarleyD]

I know I'm coming in late and I had to go through ALL the posts. If the Goths sacked Rome in 400 and carried away the treasury, how could the Vatican claim to have manuscripts dating back before this? Would the Goths have taken or burned these as well?

[AnAmericanMother]

Goths being Goths and therefore illiterate, they went for portable objects of obvious intrinsic value - gold, jewels, etc.

A bunch of dirty parchments and papyri with chicken scratches on them would have excited zero interest, unless they needed to burn a few to keep warm . . .

The thing I don't understand in all this speculation is that the Roman government of A.D. 70 was not Christian - indeed if anything it was anti-Christian. Why would the Vatican wind up with any surviving treasure - if indeed the Goths or the Vandals didn't get it?

[HarleyD]

Let me say that I believe in the Vatican's right to privacy. That being said this need for secrecy isn't consistent with the biblical teachings. At least the Queen of England threw open the doors of Winsor Castle-at least for a brief moment to raise money. The only reasons I can think of why the Vatican wouldn't want people to see what's in the vaults are:

1) they have lots of riches that may prove to be embrassing for a church and someone will want to tax them for; and/or

2) there is something embrassing they've been holding on to that someone might come across. (the eighteen minute gap of Richard Nixon? :O) )

Quite honestly I don't know how they'll solve the Rabbis request to their satisfaction.

[AnalogReigns]

There's been an age-old argument about whether the arms were curved or straight.

Here's the first solid gold full-size (nearly 6 feet tall!) Menorah since the Romans took the one in the Temple. Imagine its weight, and worth!
(from the Temple Institute in Jerusalem.)

[Cvengr]

Of course they can't allow them in. If they showed them the Mennorah, they might tells others about all the arms the Catholics keep stashed away beneath all their churches. It wouldn't be an urban legand anymore, it would instead show a conspiracy,....Yeah, that's the ticket,...if they don't allow them in, it's to hide the conspiracy. And if they did show them the basement, it would only display how much further the conspiracy reaches because they still refuse to show the Mennorah,....and even if they did, it would show there had always been a conspiracy anyways,...so then what would they do?

Face it,..the gig's up,...the Vatican needs to turn over the goods now. (unless of course there really aren't any there.)

[tjwmason]

Do you think that's true? Ark of Covenant is in Eithiopia

They certainly have an ark-like box; the Ark features heavily in their rituals (they have a replica of it on every Altar) which date back to antiquity; there are strong connexions between Ethiopia and ancient Israel (a probable lost-tribe). All in all, it seems to me to be the most likely resting place for the Ark.

[SunkenCiv]

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Note: this topic is from January 15, 2004. Thanks Alouette.

Blast from the Past.

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God's Gold: A Quest for the Lost Temple Treasures of Jerusalem by Sean Kingsley

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[SunkenCiv]

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm

Colosseum ‘built with loot from sack of Jerusalem temple’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1311985/Colosseum-built-with-loot-from-sack-of-Jerusalem-temple.html