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U.S. Foreign Air Marshals Plan Challenged
AP | 1/16/04

Posted on 01/16/2004 12:25:16 AM PST by kattracks

The Associated Press

BRUSSELS, Belgium Jan. 16 — U.S. Homeland Security officials making the case for the use of armed sky marshals on trans-Atlantic flights faced widespread fears in Europe about the risks to crew and passengers. Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security in the Homeland Security Department, will meet Friday with civil aviation officials from the 15 European Union nations to try to convince them that air marshals are needed to prevent terrorist attacks on planes.

Following the heightened security levels over the Christmas holidays, Washington is now demanding increased international cooperation to thwart new threats.

American demands, however, have been met by widespread fears in Europe that the use of armed guards on commercial flights could put crew and passengers at risk.

"We are not sure air marshals with weapons are going to guarantee safety," EU spokesman Gilles Gantelet said.

Complicating matters for Washington is that it will have to deal with each EU nation on an individual basis. The EU's executive Commission has no policing powers or legal means to negotiate on the EU's behalf on the use of air marshals.

Several EU nations, including Portugal, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, have reservations on the use of the marshals, while Britain and Germany are open to the idea. The four opposing nations have all said they would rather cancel flights if there was a strong suspicion of an attack rather than put armed guards on the planes.

"It may even create more problems than it solves," said Bo Eckerbert of the Swedish Aviation Administration.

"There are possibilities to make other efforts than putting the problem aboard an aircraft," he said. "We do not want weapons in the cabin."

Kim Salonen, head of air security at Finland's Civil Aviation Administration agreed. "We have a negative stand. Should there be a concrete threat to air security, then we would ground a flight rather than take marshals on board," he said.

Airlines too have problems with the idea, saying they not only have safety concerns over having guns onboard but also over the cost factor. Added security measures since the Sept. 11 terror attacks have cost airlines millions of dollars.

Airlines already have to supply U.S. authorities with more data on passengers on trans-Atlantic flights, but a December deal brokered between EU headquarters and Washington, limited the use of such data to comply with EU privacy rules.

Finland's national carrier, Finnair, which flies to New York and other North American cities, is against the use of marshals. Package tour operator Thomas Cook, which operates charter flights between London and Orlando, Fla., also said it would not accept sky marshals.

Pilot organizations in Britain, Spain and other countries also expressed strong reservations.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced Dec. 29 that airlines would be required to place armed law enforcement officers on flights to the United States "where necessary."

The announcement came after U.S. authorities raised their terrorism alert to orange, the second-highest level, and increased security surrounding international flights. The alert was lowered to yellow on Jan. 9, but airports remain on high alert.

More than a dozen flights to the United States on British Airways, Aeromexico and Air France have been canceled or delayed since New Year's Eve because of security fears.

EU officials doubt Friday's meeting will yield in a result, but are optimistic that the EU countries could better coordinate future aviation security policy better with the United States.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; armedmarshals; dhs

1 posted on 01/16/2004 12:25:16 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Added security measures since the Sept. 11 terror attacks have cost airlines millions of dollars.

Right, and lack of security measures on Sept. 11 cost billions of dollars.

"We are not sure air marshals with weapons are going to guarantee safety," EU spokesman Gilles Gantelet said.

There is no single thing at all that can guarantee safety, nothing. If that is the standard, then they may just as well give up. Which is basically the standard policy of the EU anyway.

2 posted on 01/16/2004 12:49:40 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: kattracks
Simple solution. When in doubt, Sidewinders are always an effective solution to uncooperative behaviors.
3 posted on 01/16/2004 1:11:36 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: kattracks
Translation is "We don't have armed air marshalls, and that means putting American cowboys with guns on our planes, for which we'll be sued 'til we're broke."
4 posted on 01/16/2004 1:13:49 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: I_dmc
These dolts don't know we're at war.
5 posted on 01/16/2004 2:13:59 AM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: kattracks
"There are possibilities to make other efforts than putting the problem aboard an aircraft," he said. "We do not want weapons in the cabin."

Note to Bo: On September 11 the hijackers used knives. GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. What a typical ignorant old-world simpleton. I think that most of these people just need a good ass kicking so that they realize that the world is a physical place, and not the safe theoretical nursery that they have lived in (thanks to us) for the last ~60 years.

6 posted on 01/16/2004 4:07:33 AM PST by max_rpf
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To: kattracks
"It may even create more problems than it solves," said Bo Eckerbert of the Swedish Aviation Administration.

Don't like it? Don't fly here. No skin off our nose...

7 posted on 01/16/2004 4:15:25 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: sd-joe
What makes me upset is, that people outside the EU always try to refer to the EU like a state. It is not. It´s a union of states, much more loosely like the American Union. Each and every EU member is sovereign. That´s why planes from France now use Sky Marshals and planes from Germany use them since Oct. 2001.
9 posted on 01/16/2004 4:24:37 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Well, it is an AP report :)
10 posted on 01/16/2004 4:27:23 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Michael81Dus
Well it was an EU spokesperson that was quoted, and it is the EU that keeps trying to make itself one super-national body. And it is the EU that regulates how much curvature banana's can have in all the EU countries.

Personally, I wish the whole concept of the EU would go away and we could totally deal with each country individually in all aspects.

Frankly most Americans think very little of the EU, and they do have different opinions of the different countries.
11 posted on 01/16/2004 6:10:57 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: Emitter
We are trying to save lives. Period.
12 posted on 01/16/2004 6:20:55 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Emitter
Yes. I will. Thank you for the suggestion.
14 posted on 01/16/2004 7:05:09 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Emitter
What I was responding to in your post was the fact that you seemed to feel like we had no right to insist on certain security precautions.

Yes, I was a paramedic for a very long time. I am also a licensed peace officer. So, yes I do know that with enough determination, AQ will find a way to strike. Of course they will. We all realize that it is just a matter of time before they are successful

That said though, we have not only the right, but the responsibility to make that as hard as possible, and thwart any attacks that we can.

If we could have stopped even one of the planes that managed a strike into the Pentagon, or one of the towers, the death toll would have been lower. So why wouldn't we very aggressively protect ourselves in every way possible?

I am a realist. I just know that we are trying.

(By the way, I was just talking to my ex-husband a few minutes ago, even while you and I were trading posts. He is a very high ranking federal agent involved in anti-terrorism and high intensity drug trafficking. He tells me all the time that we really are making good solid progress and we are MUCH safer than before.)
16 posted on 01/16/2004 7:37:26 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: sd-joe
Personally, I wish the whole concept of the EU would go away and we could totally deal with each country individually in all aspects.

That would be the worst for Europe. That would mean a total oppression of the omni-dominant US. Uniting Europe means more competition, less customs, more power to the consumers. I would not want to give up the rights I gained through the EU. There´re many things the EU can regulate much more better than any of its member states, such like common standards on education, travelling, trade with other nations, etc. The EU is designed to create ONE market, and that´s the best the EU can do. The other wishy-washy common foreign policy is not realistic, but the economy policy is a good thing.

17 posted on 01/16/2004 7:52:30 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Emitter
OH, I think we may have been focusing on slightly different aspects of the article.

I was talking about us requiring air marshalls on certain flights in-bound to the US. Especially since we are willing to pay for and send our own marshalls if the country of origin from the flight was unwilling or unable to do so. Otherwise we reserve the right to refuse landing rights, if I understand correctly.

It seems reasonable to me that we have the right to do that in situations that are suspicious, especially if we are willing to pay for it ourselves, if necessary.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from.

(oh Lord, Michael Jackson on tv. that's gotta go...off to find my remote.)
19 posted on 01/16/2004 9:23:11 AM PST by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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