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Study Says Iraq Insurgents Use Advanced Weapons (SA-16)
Reuters ^
| Jan 17, 2004
| Reuters
Posted on 01/18/2004 2:21:08 AM PST by XHogPilot
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The use of the highly capable SA-16 SAM in Iraq is unprecedented and telling. The SA-16 never had the uncontrolled proliferation of the SA-7 or even SA-14. Until now, it was thought to only be in the government arsenals of mostly Soviet Union states and Yugoslavia.
A Oct 2003 report by GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily, Bosnian Terrorist Assets Moving to Iraq, indicated a "mujahedin training facility in Bosnia was now part of a process to send fighters into Iraq".
Further in the article, "It would also reflect that the al-Qaida and Iranian-backed Islamist infrastructure in the Balkans, built up since the beginning of the 1990s, was now being used as an integral part of the war against US forces in Iraq. As well, there were indications that the Bosnian-based Islamists had also been used to support military operations against the anti-terrorist Coalition in Afghanistan.
NATO Stabilization Force (SFOR) officials were apparently aware of the linkage, and, in the second half of September 2003, raided the Muslim military barracks in Tuzla, seizing all of the SA-7 Strela and SA-16 Igla man-portable surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) in the armory."
SA-16 Surface to Air Missile
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posted on
01/18/2004 2:21:10 AM PST
by
XHogPilot
To: XHogPilot
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posted on
01/18/2004 2:26:00 AM PST
by
risk
To: XHogPilot
These would be the same
Bosnian Muslims that U.S. forces moved to save from ethnic cleansing.
Next time someone wants to ethnically cleanse some muslims, let's not get too excited about jumping up and sending our boys to defend them....
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posted on
01/18/2004 2:26:22 AM PST
by
Gerasimov
(Oh calm down ... it was a joke. **mostly**)
To: XHogPilot
Something tells me we are gonna have to have a rat killin in the Balkans.
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posted on
01/18/2004 2:31:02 AM PST
by
eastforker
(The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
To: XHogPilot
The proliferation of more sophisticated SAMs coming from the Balkans only exacerbates the need to take down these Mid-East dictatorships. Sooner or later they will procure WMDs on the black market.
To: DTA
expected?
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posted on
01/18/2004 3:14:20 AM PST
by
getgoing
To: Hoplite
Oh, here's one for your scrapbook bub.
To: Gerasimov
weasly clark just loves those guys!
To: knighthawk; dennisw; Sabertooth; RadioAstronomer; Libertina; Thinkin' Gal
Bad news with a capital B and that stands for Bosnian Terrorists...I wish I could say this wasn't inevitable...If you watch the EXCELLENT Foreign Legion based sniper movie, "The Savior" with Dennis Quaid you get to see the red headbands of the islamists sneaking around in Bosnia...I'm creeped out, now!
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posted on
01/18/2004 4:05:45 AM PST
by
sleavelessinseattle
(Militant Islam is a political movement NOT a religious one...What does it take to wake up the media?)
To: Boot Hill
Bonk.
Another one.
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posted on
01/18/2004 4:58:58 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
To: risk
And everyone wonders why France,Germany and Russia would not join in the war. They probably supplied this weapons and didnt want it to get out plus they didnt want their troops going up against these weapons.
Yes Mr. and Mrs. Democrat we need all this support from the UN when it is the UN that is trying to overthrow America with your help.
If you want a dictatorship and the UN to run America vote DEMOCRAT!
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posted on
01/18/2004 5:06:13 AM PST
by
gunnedah
To: XHogPilot
The FMLN of El Salvador used a few SA-16 missiles during it's war against the Salvadorian government back in the '80s and early '90s.
To: Jacob Kell
"The FMLN of El Salvador used a few SA-16 missiles during it's war against the Salvadorian government back in the '80s and early '90s." Are you sure it was SA-16s and not SA-7s or -14s? SA-16s began manufacture in the late 80's and were reportedly exclusive to the USSR for several years.
To: XHogPilot
Who's selling this stuff and to whom? It is Iraqi's who's buying them or someone else? Obviously if 29 trucks with weapons can brazonly cross over from Iran, who knows what it getting across. Wake up Bush, nothing is stopping the same from crossing our open borders either.
To: Gerasimov
I whole heartedly agree with you. Why was Clinton so eager to help forces that have shown nothing but contempt and religious intolerance for others? I think it is because he was a pompous arse, and he and his "intellectual" anti-American buddies thought they knew better than what history taught. Plus, he had the Lewinsky scandal to distract the populace from.
To: sleavelessinseattle
Moring Sleaveless! Looks like about the only ones who don't take war seriously are the liberals in America and Europe... Our enemies seem quite a bit less "conflicted." Funny, unlike Dan Rather and the mainstream media - i bet they can even tell you which "side" they are on...
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posted on
01/18/2004 10:07:36 AM PST
by
Libertina
(CPAC - Conservative Political Action Conference - Jan 22-24, DC http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f)
To: Lion in Winter
So let me get this straight - Al Qaeda, who has supposedly been co-located with our forces in Bosnia since 1996 and Kosovo and Albania since 1999, is sending fighters and equipment from the Balkans, where attacking US forces would be easy for them, to Iraq, where they are as fish out of water due to cultural and linguistic differences with the locals.
Notwithstanding the stupidity of these allegations, NATO has addressed them recently, and the lack of any attacks against US forces in Bosnia or Kosovo gives the lie to this BS - if you want to see what happens when Al Qaeda is in the neighborhood of US forces, Afghanistan provides a perfect example - and compared to the Balkans it is night and day.
I note that Al Qaeda related individuals have been apprehended in Bosnia, Algerians mostly, and that they were handed over by the Bosnian government to SFOR and are now currently in Gitmo.
In short, the Balkan connection to Al Qaeda is more hype than substance, and isn't pushed in the service of American interests.
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posted on
01/18/2004 10:37:56 AM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Hoplite
From
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L15672143.htm :
NATO says no evidence of militants in Bosnia
15 Jan 2004 17:36:34 GMT
SARAJEVO, Jan 15 (Reuters) - NATO's new secretary-general denied on Thursday recent media reports that al Qaeda and other Islamic militant groups were present in Bosnia.
"We have no firm evidence that international terrorists are operating, training or recruiting in Bosnia-Herzegovina," Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said during his first trip since taking the position last week...
OK. But where are they getting the SA-16s from?
To: Screaming_Gerbil
From the Russians?
The Iraqis were using SA-16's against us in 1991:
The SA-16 Iglas is thought to have shot down as many as 12 of the 29 coalition aircraft lost in the 1991 Persian Gulf war.
Aviation Week and Space Technology, Dec 9, 2002
The story here isn't the disinformation directed against Bosnia itself, but the fact that the disinformation is being pushed on FR with such frequency and that it is being swallowed by an uncritical audience.
None of it serves any American interest.
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posted on
01/18/2004 11:44:10 AM PST
by
Hoplite
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