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Dems Don't Want This General in Command (Mark Steyn's take on Wesley Clark)
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 18, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/18/2004 7:39:35 AM PST by quidnunc

Where are we going to find the un-Dean? That was the cry of Democratic power brokers as Howard Dean rose unstoppably through last year, and the wise old birds fretted that he was unelectable. Judging from the polls, New Hampshire Democrats seem to have found their un-Dean. It's Wesley Clark.

So now the Dem big shots can all start looking for the un-Clark.

If they aren't already, they ought to be. Dean might be bad for the health of the party, but that's no reason to go from bad to Wes. If the rap against Dean is that he's gaffe-prone, shoots from the hip, says loopy stuff, that goes tenfold for Clark. Let me say, by the way, in a spirit of bipartisanship, that I don't believe Howard Dean is nuts. From my perch in New Hampshire, I watched him across the river governing Vermont for a decade, and although he was certainly mean and arrogant, the chief characteristic of his political persona was its blandness. But this is no time for a Democratic candidate who feels your pain. Democratic activists want someone who feels their anger, and Mad How the mad cow was pretty much invented by the somnolent Governor Dean to fit that bill.

So I'd say Howard Dean is a sane man pretending to be crazy. Whereas General Clark gives every indication of a crazy man pretending to be sane.

-snip-

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; clark; marksteyn; marksteynlist; unfit; wesleyclark
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1 posted on 01/18/2004 7:39:36 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Excllent article as usual.

If I have to force rank the dwarfs, Clark is worse than mad-Dog Howie or sad tree "ent" effin Kerry. Clark is running because he was ignored by the Bush crowd after 9/11 (never mind that he was the lobbyist for Acxiom to win a 400K dollar contract to datamine all our records - talk about big brother and the patriot act stuff - maybe the lefties wanna know that)..Clark has a few good weeks because Kerry went west to Iowa, Dean has his hands full in Iowa as well. If Kerry and Dean finish up as one and two in Iowa, these two will come back to NH and ready to shred Clark into pieces. The way the race is shaping seems to suggest a Kerry nomination at the end. If Kerry can win Iowa as a surprise, he got the big mo, and he will go back to NH, take a wipe at Clark, and could easily siphon off those "military" votes from Clark.
2 posted on 01/18/2004 7:56:58 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: quidnunc
Darn Capitalism

Wesley K. Clark is at it again, sounding like the goofball we hope he isn’t. We have a theory that the general’s recent surge in New Hampshire is directly related to his not saying anything silly or conspiratorial or head-scratching. For several days now. Absent the cloak-and-dagger stuff about all those secret plans he heard about at the Pentagon, Wes Clark comes off looking a lot like a guy we used to know. Name of Wes Clark. He may still sound confused about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, but he doesn’t come across as just another bloviating talk-show host.

But then the candidate-general was asked how he would pay for some federal programs he favors, and he played economist. Uh oh. Here’s what he said: "The problem with America is that there is plenty of money out there. It’s just not in the right places." Like where, the people’s pockets? Or in Washington’s coffers?

"What we’ve got to do in this country," the general continued, "is ask those people who have more money to be patriotic and give some of it back to help everybody else."

Back? Like it belonged to the government in the first place, and all the rest of us did was borrow it, instead of earn it?

Tell us the general was talking about giving to nonprofits and favorite charities — not the U.S. Treasury. Or tell us he was just taking a poorly worded swipe at the president’s tax cuts. Because we’re starting to wonder if this guy went to the Marxist School of Governmental Economics — and, if so, which one, Karl or Groucho?

(The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editorial, January 18, 2004)
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/story_Editorial.php?storyid=53482

3 posted on 01/18/2004 8:07:34 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: FRgal4u
Howard Dean will win both Iowa and NH. The polls are bogus, designed only to get people out into the cold when they would otherwise stay home knowing Dean would win anyway.

As for Clark, should he somehow get the nomination, there will be hundreds of current and former military coming out full force against him. He is a nutcase.

4 posted on 01/18/2004 8:09:58 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: quidnunc
"..... Hey, life begins with the mother's decision and if you say, ''Let there not be life,'' then there won't be. That's not crazy so much as a sign of the general's general laziness on this and most other domestic issues. He simply appears to have given no thought to the question."

Clark echos Genisis in describing a humans perogative with respect to life and Steyn can say of him: "he simply appears to have gven no thought to the question!!??

What, ecaxtly, is Steyn's assesment of Clarks FUNDAMENTAL intelligence? It must be damned low!
5 posted on 01/18/2004 8:11:47 AM PST by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else...")
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To: Pukin Dog
I think Dean is finished. He was too one issue, too arrogant, too foot in the mouth and it caught up with him. Clark is the Clinton candidate, and that should be enough to worry us. I suggest the following. Dean was billed as so left wing and irresponsible that Clark, Kerry, Edwards or Gephardt will be hailed as proof of the dems pulling themselves back from the brink and running a moderate. We may have helped "center" them in the public mind.
6 posted on 01/18/2004 8:16:34 AM PST by Williams
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To: Williams
Dean might be finished, but I don't think so.

There is a reason that no one is saying anything about Clark until we know whether or not he gets the nod; There is so much dirt on Clark, that once it is out, he is a dead duck. No need to do it now, we can wait until he is the candidate. No need to destroy the guy if he loses to Dean in the primaries.

Besides that, the Clintons will probably release the dirt on Clark before the Republicans get a chance to do it themselves. That would open things up for Hillary if Bush looks beatable in November. Trust me, Wes Clark aint gonna be President.

7 posted on 01/18/2004 8:20:40 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: quidnunc
He might be crazy. On the other hand he is the only candidate who will initiate a time travel program.
8 posted on 01/18/2004 8:57:52 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Williams
The Weekly Standard's Matthew Continetti recounts an interesting anecdote from the campaign trail with Weasel Clark:
As the press van makes its way toward the event, where Clark will answer questions from voters, I talk with a reporter from one of the major news networks who has followed Clark for several months. It's the usual chitchat--where we're from, where we went to school--and after a few minutes, we fall back into silence.

For a moment, anyway. "It's funny," the reporter says eventually, under her breath. "I can't believe [Clark's] doing so well all of a sudden."

"Why is that?" I ask.

"Because he's so damn crazy."

9 posted on 01/18/2004 9:03:18 AM PST by CT
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To: stop_fascism
Clark Gets Nailed (From Pollipundit)

Matt Drudge dug up some very embarassing Weasel Clark testimony (the full transcript is even more embarassing): Less than 18 months ago, Wesley Clark offered his testimony before the Committee On Armed Services at the U.S. House Of Representatives.

"There's no requirement to have any doctrine here. I mean this is simply a longstanding right of the United States and other nations to take the actions they deem necessary in their self defense," Clark told Congress on September 26, 2002.

"Every president has deployed forces as necessary to take action. He's done so without multilateral support if necessary. He's done so in advance of conflict if necessary. In my experience, I was the commander of the European forces in NATO. When we took action in Kosovo, we did not have United Nations approval to do this and we did so in a way that was designed to preempt Serb ethnic cleansing and regional destabilization there. There were some people who didn' t agree with that decision. The United Nations was not able to agree to support it with a resolution."

Clark continued: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we."

More Clark: "And, I want to underscore that I think the United States should not categorize this action as preemptive. Preemptive and that doctrine has nothing whatsoever to do with this problem. As Richard Perle so eloquently pointed out, this is a problem that's longstanding. It's been a decade in the making. It needs to be dealt with and the clock is ticking on this."

Clark explained: "I think there's no question that, even though we may not have the evidence as Richard [Perle] says, that there have been such contacts [between Iraq and al Qaeda]. It' s normal. It's natural. These are a lot of bad actors in the same region together. They are going to bump into each other. They are going to exchange information. They're going to feel each other out and see whether there are opportunities to cooperate. That's inevitable in this region, and I think it's clear that regardless of whether or not such evidence is produced of these connections that Saddam Hussein is a threat." And, from the full transcript, here's a paragraph that Drudge left out:

Our President has emphasized the urgency of eliminating these weapons and weapons programs. I strongly support his efforts to encourage the United Nations to act on this problem. And in taking this to the United Nations, the President’s clear determination to act if the United Nations can’t provides strong leverage undergirding further diplomatic efforts.

10 posted on 01/18/2004 9:09:32 AM PST by CT
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To: CT
Coulter on Clark

Ann Coulter on Weasel Clark:
Democrats are utterly unfazed by the fact that Clark is crazier than a March hare. They are so happy to have a pacifist in uniform, they ignore his Norman Bates moments. When this peacenik criticizes the war in Iraq, he can puff up his puny chest and cite his own glorious experience with blood, sweat and tears in the Balkans.

Asked on "Meet the Press" what advice he would give Bush, Clark said: "I'd say, 'Mr. President, the first thing you've got to do is you've got to surrender' -- stop right there and the Kucinich crowd is yours -- 'exclusive U.S. control over this mission. ... Build an international organization like we did in the Balkans.'" Because, as everyone knows, Wesley Clark "built" NATO. This guy sounds more like Al Gore every day.

11 posted on 01/18/2004 9:11:55 AM PST by CT
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To: quidnunc; All
So now the Dem big shots can all start looking for the un-Clark

Does anyone know the date Clark was removed from command???

12 posted on 01/18/2004 9:21:13 AM PST by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: quidnunc
Howard Dean is a sane man pretending to be crazy. Whereas General Clark gives every indication of a crazy man pretending to be sane.

As usual, Steyn hits the sweet spot on the Driver.

Dean will implode. Gephardt will be finished early. Whiney Joe will never show, right along with Ambulance Edwards. Kerry (who pretends to be an honest veteran) will tank to Clark (who is a dishonest veteran). Clark will be carried off in a straight-jacket (or, more likely, a hearse) prior to the Convention.

Next, Hillary will graciously "accept" the adrift Party's unanimous draft nomination for President at the Convention - just in time to lock out a determined grass-roots campaign against her because of the Campaign Finance Law's "60-day Rule". She will coast to November with a swooning, sychophantic Media (as in her NY campaign) and the Kool-Aid Drinkers Of America following in full tow. She will set the political stage on fire, with hardly a grudging mention by the media of that other candidate (you don't see much of him now, either, except as a b&w picture with a Democrat voice-over).

This entire process is a clinton set-up, and it's working beautifully! Hillary gets the Oval Office and bill gets the hidden study off the Oval Office, where he can continue on right where he left off when he was so rudely interrupted by the bogus impeachment "trial" in the Senate.

Maybe you didn't hear it first here, but you did hear it here!

13 posted on 01/18/2004 9:42:14 AM PST by Gritty ("In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Look to his character"-Noah Webster)
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To: quidnunc
He's so new a New Democrat he barely knew any Democrats.

Another great line -- could almost have come from one of Shakespeare's comedy characters.

I'd say Howard Dean is a sane man pretending to be crazy. Whereas General Clark gives every indication of a crazy man pretending to be sane.

How does Steyn come up with these great turns-of-phrase?

14 posted on 01/18/2004 9:58:55 AM PST by expatpat
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To: quidnunc

"Mad How the mad cow . . ."

Perfect.

15 posted on 01/18/2004 10:01:43 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: quidnunc

16 posted on 01/18/2004 10:01:50 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: expatpat
I'd say Howard Dean is a sane man pretending to be crazy. Whereas General Clark gives every indication of a crazy man pretending to be sane.

True. This has a certain "G.K. Chesterton quality" to it.

17 posted on 01/18/2004 10:04:05 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: quidnunc
The man is incoherent and probably certifiable.
18 posted on 01/18/2004 10:46:41 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Gritty
Gritty, you said it here first, but this is the same scenario I've been anticipating for several months now. With the 60 day campaign ad limitation, she can even duck the debates and just show up on the 6:30 ABCCBSNBC news smiling and shaking hands and stand a good chance of winning. Guiliani would beat her in New York in '06 and would kill her chances for '08. She's got to do it now. The campaign laws and the fawning media are all in alignment. I hope Karl Rove has this figured into the plans.
19 posted on 01/18/2004 11:14:24 AM PST by shortstop ( Win One For the Gipper)
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To: shortstop
she can even duck the debates

I agree. It is easy enough to have the debate formats bogged down in "irreconcilible differences" and not even take place, or maybe have only one very controlled one.

A lot of people on this forum thinks she would be a push over. I think they are nuts. They just aren't paying attention to what is going on out there and assume Bush will coast to victory on the War theme. This is nonsense, especially against Hillary. She is Liberalism's Last, Great Hope and they will pull out ALL the stops!

20 posted on 01/18/2004 12:13:56 PM PST by Gritty ("aging liberals view sodomy with the chubby intern in the back office as 'having fun'-Ann Coulter)
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