Dick Morris' Mistake

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | January 19, 2004 | Allan Wall

[cousair]

Morris hates Hillary, and visa versa so I doubt his working for the Clintons. If you go back and look, his predictions are wrong a lot of the time. He does come up with some pretty interesting ideas on the political weather though, and does know how the parties run and think.

[harpu]

I like your profile...'you're right on!'

[ClintonBeGone]

I like your profile...'you're right on!'

:)

[diotima]

PING!

[diotima]

We might also loosen up restriction on local law enforcement and allow them to inquire into someone's immigration status.

Such an inquiry is illegal here in CA. Of course we can't round them all up and send them back, any effective means of doing that has been prohibited.

[diotima]

And then, what are you going to do? Deport them without due process? Put them in detention camps? Aside from the legalities of doing this, I imagine the cost would be staggering.

Probably not as staggering as the cost of the new entitlements, that will be around the corner for the new guests workers.

Will the guest workers have to be paid minimum wage? If not, (hell..even if they are) they will make a low-enough wage to be eligible for social programs. What about that cost?

[JayNorth]

Or do you prefer being ruled by alien strangers, and lesbians, and race pimps?

Be careful who you ask that question of. Over on DUh, the answer would be an emphatic "YES".

[lentulusgracchus]

Over on DUh, the answer would be an emphatic "YES".

Well, that was my point. Sometimes my references to the 'Rat Party become a little ..... baroque.

[Miss Marple]

It is my understanding that the proposal does not allow for welfare and the like. It is only for workers.

[Miss Marple]

No, I am not saying that enforcing the laws is less important than Bush being reelected. I am saying that should you enforce a draconian roundup, he will not be reelected and the democrat would immediately stop it and offer full citizenship to them all. (Almost all of the Rat candidates have griped that Bush's program doesn't offer citizenship.) Then you will have 8 million new citizens who will register and vote democrat, and then where will we be?

[diotima]

Not yet..perhaps. There will be an industry in no time, that "Educates people of the plight of the exploited guests workers." It won't be long before there are plenty of entitlements out there and G-d forbid, we have a 'rat president! The possible expansion (or creation) of handouts for guest workers is endless!

[BlueAngel]

No, Jeb Bush's wife Columba, is from Mexico. He met her there when he was taking some classes at the University, I believe.

[BlueAngel]

Oops! Should of read the whole thread before posting. LOL!

[Miss Marple]

Illegal aliens (and not just Mexicans, by the way) are in all 50 states. Yes, you could go employer to employer and ask to see papers. That won't catch day laborers, students, criminals, and drifters who are also part of the mix. You would require a huge increase in manpower from every state except possibly Alaska, and you would have to have the cooperation of the local police (which you probably would not get in any democrat controlled city).

We cannot even find all of the Arabs who we know are in the country illegally and we are actively searching for.

I don't think you realize how difficult this would be. In order to go house to house you would have to call up the National Guard and cordone off areas and ask to see papers. And what are you going to do with Americans who DON'T have papers, like a birth certificate?

And do you think that we wouldn't immediately have a flood of court cases from the ACLU tying things up and going all the way to the Supreme Court? The courts have already ruled that you can't stop cars and search them without probable cause, and I would expect the same decision would come over house visitations. And then, while the cases are tied up in court, you would have alerted all illegal aliens anyway

Where are you going to get the money and manpower to deal with this? How many of these people came here on a legal visa wich expired due to INS inefficience? How many have children who are citizens? Are you going to ship US citizens out because of their parents? If you support that, then everyone needs to quit griping about foreign nationals taking their US citizen children to Saudi Arabia and the like.

I am certainly no expert on deployment of troops and legal procedures, but even I can see that this is an immense task that would require more money and manpower than we have.

And I DO know for sure that should the Republican party sponsor something that strict, the media would make a nine-days wonder out of it, with shots of weeping women and children being dragged out of their homes (think Elian Gonzalez X 100,000) and we would no doubt have riots as well. Then Republicans and conservatives would be thrown out of many offices, the Rats would take control, and most importantly, GIVE THEM IMMEDIATE CITIZENSHIP. Then you would have millions of new voters who would pull the Rat lever and where would we be then?

Bush's plan is an imperfect attempt to use the carrot and stick. At least he doesn't say he will make them citizens and is going to require employers to comply with the law. The Rat candidates all want to give them citizenship as they see them as a huge voting block.

So, that is why I think it isn't a feasible plan.

[yoe]

...oops - thanks

[Miss Marple]

Now yours is a more practical and more sellable solution.

I think that we have to deal with the children who are citizens, though. I believe it would take a constitutional amendment. I am not real comfortable about denying children their rights as citizens because of their parents.

[Tribune7]

Bush has made a horrible mistake with his illegal immigration plan.

That may or may not be true.

The sad thing is that, in the long run, his unwillingness to tackle illegal immigration

This is not true. In fact, he is the first guy that actually seems to be taking on the issue in a serious fashion. Remember, we got 10-million-plus illegals already in this country. How do we get rid of them? We crack down on their employers. OK, what will the economic cost to our country be if we do that? Much, much more expensive food costs? More factories to China?

It is good to debate these things and underlying issues will have to be addressed. The first one should be the economic and political corruption in Mexico which is preventing that country from providing jobs and benefits to its citizens.

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

How would you seal the border with Mexico and Canada? If you secure some areas with concertina wire, the illegals will simply move to areas that are not secured. If you place troops in one area, they will simply go to unpatrolled areas. One would have to place massive forces all along the frontiers with both countries. The initial and ongoing cost of sealing both borders would be astronomical. I guess it is physically possible. The question is whether this country has the political will to do so.

[Solson]

Wow, another article on immigration full of rhetoric and completely empty on actual facts...

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

How would you find them? It may take alot of manpower to do so, when military and law enforcement are already stretched thin. Assuming that you can round them all up and send them back (something that is by no means assured)how would you keep them from coming back? Over ten years ago, I knew of illegals who used to routinely leave their wife and kids, go back to Mexico to see their grandmas during the holidays and got back over the border after New Years. They had some very clever ways of getting across the border. And they were committed to doing so because they were eager to get back to their families in California and Texas.

Sorry. This issue seems simple. But its not.