[A CA Guy]

"He did not want to destroy the church or create a new one, just reform it. ...M. Luther."

Well nobody of that time saw him fit to be a leader worthy of that. He was never elected Pope, so he was a humanist who was out there trying to make a church in his own image.

He did remember to keep Christ in there as his lord and Salvation for his and other's salvation, so that left the church credible and at least pointing in a right direction despite his influence.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

The Pope is the head of the Church here by Christ. Christ made Peter the first Pope and gave him authority, which has been passed down in succession till this very day to JP2.

So, I see you are a Chatholic.

I was commenting on the similarities in Luther's time and ours.

Read the link I put in the other post. It describes Luther's beefs with the Catholic Church of his day. Some still apply. And his scripture still backs him up.

If I felt that my church was in error and the Holy Spirit were not present, I would leave. I have.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

He was never elected Pope, so he was a humanist who was out there trying to make a church in his own image.

Q: If the Pope did the same, would he not be a Humanist? Maybe not in the historical sense of the word but by your defination of term.