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To: rmlew
The neocon-paleocon debate has degraded into self-righteous name calling and claims of oppression on all sides. No one is without blame.

I'll go along with that...the petty bickering did kind of degenerate into immature name-calling on both sides, tho it does point to some very real differences among conservatives when it comes to our relationship with Israel. While the vast majority of conservatives support Israel, the question of finacially subsidizing Israel rankles many, and whether it is appropriate for us to have a "special relationship" with what many consider just to be another ally is also a point of contention. Much of it seems to break down over one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof), tho certainly not exclusively.

50 posted on 01/20/2004 1:35:16 PM PST by westerfield
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To: westerfield
While the vast majority of conservatives support Israel, the question of finacially subsidizing Israel rankles many
Assuming that Zionist Neocons are Likudniks, they would oppose any financial aid to Israel. Former Israeli PM and not Economic Minister Netanyahu has called for such aid to be phased out. Military aid is trickier.
The "benefit" of the financial aid is not the Israeli economy, but the politicized labor unions who are crippling it. For this privilege, Israel looses independence. The US gains leverage, but is seen as responsible for anything and everything Israel does. This is an unhealthy relationship.

and whether it is appropriate for us to have a "special relationship" with what many consider just to be another ally is also a point of contention.
There are catagories of alliances. We have a special relationship to Britain and to the white Commonwealth nations. For different reasons, we have a deep bond with Israel. We have a debt of honor to the Philippenes and Micronesia.

Much of it seems to break down over one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof), tho certainly not exclusively.
I do find that most anti-Israel Paleos belong to religious denominations who follow replacement theology. (Pre-Vatican I Catholics, Orthodox Christians, various protestant denominations...)
I have found that atheist paleolibertarians to be almost exclusively anti-Zionist.

51 posted on 01/20/2004 6:27:22 PM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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