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I would be suicide bomber in Israel, says Lib Dem MP
Independent (UK) ^ | 23 January 2004 | Ben Russell

Posted on 01/22/2004 5:32:29 PM PST by veronica

A senior MP provoked anger last night after claiming that she would consider becoming a suicide bomber if she was living in conditions faced by the Palestinians.

Jenny Tonge, the former Liberal Democrat spokeswoman on international development, said that she did not condone the Palestinian bombers, but said she could "understand" their actions.

Her comments, which came a week after Reem al-Riashi became the second Palestinian mother to carry out a suicide bombing, were immediately condemned as "sickening" by the Conservatives. Dr Tonge also faced a dressing down by Liberal Democrat whips over the comments to a campaign meeting at Westminster.

The MP, who once called on Tony Blair to drop "bread not bombs" on Afghanistan, told Sky News: "From minor things to major things their life does not feel like it's worth living.

"What I said was that I did not condone suicide bombers. But I do understand why people become suicide bombers. It's out of desperation."

"And I guess that if I were in their position ... and saw no hope for the future at all, I might just think about it myself," she added.

Dr Tonge, who will not be contesting her Richmond Park seat in south-west London at the next election, was condemned last night by Michael Ancram, the shadow Foreign Secretary. He said: "These comments will sicken those across the world who have lost loved ones to suicide bombers. There can never be an excuse for taking innocent lives, and I am surprised that Ms Tonge is voicing her support for such terror.

"Charles Kennedy should say whether he stands by her comments and, if he doesn't, he should deal with her firmly."

A Lib Dem spokesman also criticised Dr Tonge's outburst. He said: "She was expressing her personal views and certainly not speaking for the Liberal Democrats. We do not condone terrorism in any circumstances, either by suicide bombers or anybody else."

Lord Janner of Braunstone, the Labour peer and chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said: "I think that for a member of either House of this Parliament to say she has sympathy with it is awful."

James Purnell, Labour MP for Stalybridge and Hyde, who is leading a delegation of backbenchers to Israel, added: "Last night the delegation met with victims of suicide terrorism from both sides. They would be appalled by what Jenny Tonge has said."

In a statement "clarifying" her remarks Dr Tonge insisted that she did not condone terrorism. She said: "I do not condone suicide bombers or terrorism. But I do understand, having been to Palestine myself and having seen the humiliation and aggravation faced by Palestinians, why suicide bombers opt for this most desperate of actions.

"To say that I understand why they take this action does not mean that I condone it. The world is not listening to the plight of these people. The Middle East peace process is failing Palestinians and Israeli citizens alike. It is about time world leaders took serious action to resolve the Middle East crisis, rather than look the other way."


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1 posted on 01/22/2004 5:32:29 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Be glad you said that in a country that you and your ilk helped disarm, you pig. But beware of rocks and farm implements.
2 posted on 01/22/2004 5:34:36 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: veronica
"What I said was that I did not condone suicide bombers. But I do understand why people become suicide bombers. It's out of desperation." "And I guess that if I were in their position ... and saw no hope for the future at all, I might just think about it myself," she added.

I don't suppose it would occur to her that the position the Palestinians are in is one of their own making.

3 posted on 01/22/2004 5:43:26 PM PST by templar
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To: veronica
I say, let her try it!
4 posted on 01/22/2004 5:47:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: templar
I'm sure she could use the same moral relevance when talking about an abortion clinic bomber. Yep, I'm sooooo sure.
5 posted on 01/22/2004 5:47:16 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: muawiyah
One less leftist piece of trash in the world! ;-)
6 posted on 01/22/2004 5:47:48 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: Paul Atreides
True enough. Give her one of those "bomber belts" and turn her loose in a really big park away from everybody and everything.

Put a remote control detonation device on it too in case she thought of backing out.

7 posted on 01/22/2004 5:49:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Viking2002
A senior MP provoked anger last night after claiming that she would consider becoming a suicide bomber if she was living in conditions faced by the Palestinians.

The MK is absolutely correct is saying that the bombers are often doing out of desparation over their living conditions. For example, Wafa Idris, the first Palestinian suicide bomber, was probably in a clinical depression. Her first and only child had been a stillborn and, as a result, she was now sterile. Her husband, who was also her first cousin, had divorced her over this and had already taken a second wife. She was mocked by family and friends and she understood that she had no future in Palestinian society. As a divorced and infertile woman, she was doubly "tainted." Her bleak prospects--due to Islamic and Palestinian misogyny and not to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict--were used to trap her into redeeming her dishonor by becoming a murdering martyr.

8 posted on 01/22/2004 5:50:08 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: veronica
Why can't we just put her, and all the other hopefuls together in one place. Tell each of them, in private, that all the others are Jews, Christians, Infidels, or whatever the target of the day is. Problem solved.
9 posted on 01/22/2004 5:50:36 PM PST by BykrBayb (Temporary tagline. Applied to State of New Jersey for permanent tagline (12/24/03).)
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To: veronica
The MP, who once called on Tony Blair to drop "bread not bombs" on Afghanistan, told Sky News: "From minor things to major things their life does not feel like it's worth living.

This idiot wrapped in a moron is simply too stupid to survive if left to her own devices. Like many of our own politicians, the only reason they get elected is because of the massive sheeple quotient among the general populace. I think that western civilization may be doomed and that the new Dark Age is upon us.

10 posted on 01/22/2004 5:52:36 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Desron13
A Semtex teddy and a short fuse would make a good many people like her a lot more, assuming they could hose down the street after she is, uh, 'gone'...
11 posted on 01/22/2004 5:57:30 PM PST by jonascord (Don't bother to run, you'll only die tired...)
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To: veronica
Never an Israeli caterpillar around when you need them!!
12 posted on 01/22/2004 5:58:41 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Viking2002
"From minor things to major things their life does not feel like it's worth living.

The "major thing" for female suicide bombers is the Impossible Family Dynamics of Islam. The author of the link I just gave does not say it, but I am pretty sure she is from Jordan, and their culture is the same as that of the Palestinians.

13 posted on 01/22/2004 6:04:20 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: veronica
What I said was that I did not condone suicide bombers. But I do understand why people become suicide bombers. It's out of desperation."

We had 16 or so well to do and educated Saudis kill themselves by flying the planes into the twin towers,and Pentagon. It wasn't done out of desperation.

It was what God wanted done. And there is no better motivation than that, and it's not going away ever.. - tom

14 posted on 01/22/2004 6:14:41 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: veronica
You can offer her help with her airfare at http://www.jennytonge.org.uk/ ....:-)
15 posted on 01/22/2004 6:16:07 PM PST by Wil H
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To: veronica
You can offer her help with her airfare at http://www.jennytonge.org.uk/ ....:-)
16 posted on 01/22/2004 6:16:10 PM PST by Wil H
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To: veronica
You can offer her help with her airfare at http://www.jennytonge.org.uk/ ....:-)
17 posted on 01/22/2004 6:16:13 PM PST by Wil H
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To: veronica
The MP, who once called on Tony Blair to drop "bread not bombs" on Afghanistan

Can you imagine "bread" falling on Afghanistan?
There would soon be Rats with bubonic plague crawling over everything!
Did she vote for the bread to be sent or is she just grandstanding??
18 posted on 01/22/2004 6:26:07 PM PST by jrushing (What goes here? Does anyone know what goes here?)
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To: veronica
A senior MP provoked anger last night after claiming that she would consider becoming a suicide bomber if she was living in conditions faced by the Palestinians.

Those stupid illiterate Palestinians are in a mess of their own doing.

I have absolutely no sympathy for people who have no regard for the lives of their own children.

They are possessed by an evil entity that masks itself as the Palestinian Authority.

Before peace resumes in that land, the evil must be exorsized!

19 posted on 01/22/2004 6:31:57 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: veronica
Leftism: The other religion of peace.
20 posted on 01/22/2004 7:15:43 PM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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