Why You Should Support Bush's Immigration Proposal

GOPUSA ^ | 01.23.04 | J. Max Wilson

[Bernard Marx]

Congress hasn't and will not authorize the funds for a police state crackdown.

How is enforcing existing law the act of a "police state"? Police states operate outside the law, like the Cheka in Russia after the Bolsheviks took over, or Hitler's Brown Shirts. Is your disregard for the law that great?

[DoctorMichael]

Uhhhh.........Kinda closing the barn door after the horse is out, isn't it? BTW, I'm refering to this essay AFTER the proposal is sprung on us, NOT the problem itself.

I still don't buy it. Close the borders.

[spunkets]

" Based solely on your point, then the IRS should be dissolved and the income tax repealed since the present situation is unworkable and close to 40 million people do not file. You can not apply the law selectively. Enforce them all or repeal them all."

I already told you and you should know it as fact that the IRS prosecutes all tax evaders and there is little sympathy for tax evaders in America.

[Beck_isright]

"I already told you and you should know it as fact that the IRS prosecutes all tax evaders and there is little sympathy for tax evaders in America."

According to the latest Harris poll, 85% of Americans oppose illegal immigrants. Apparently there is "little sympathy" for illegal aliens and their employers also. Take your strawman argument elsewhere. The cheerleading is pathetic.

[txdoda]

Perhaps I am being overly optimistic in thinking Bush might have something up his sleeve. I guess my thinking is that if he doesn't step up action against illegals who refuse to get 'blue cards', the illegal aliens would have no reason to seek them. So I would think there has to be a Part II; I just don't know what it is, and whether it will be a surprise jab at liberlas or one at conservatives.>>>>>>

Well, Vicente Fox's FIRST statement *after* the proposal was that "it wasn't enough". After personally meeting with GWB, Fox thinks 'the proposal' is great.

So it looks like if AMERICANS want to know if GWB has something "up his sleeve", or *if* there's a "part II", we'll have to check with *Vicente Fox*.

(btw....AFTER 'the meeting' Fox did announce that each of the 5 million 'newly legalized' workers would be able to bring 5 family members north......hmmm isn't that 30 MILLION new 'legal' residents ??)

[Beck_isright]

"I already told you and you should know it as fact that the IRS prosecutes all tax evaders and there is little sympathy for tax evaders in America."

One more point in your fantasyland points:

The "IRS prosecutes all tax evaders" according to you; then why are there not 20 to 30 million American legal citizens in jail?

[AzJohn]

This is a 100% political move.

Of course politics was a good part of this. It wasn't a coincidence that so many Latino organizations and business organizations had people meeting at the White House right before this.

But I don't know that we will actually get any significant immigration reform out of this at all. There are strong competing interests on both the left and right, not to mention some strong incentives to keep things the way they are. I think it is almost certainly too tough a nut for Congress to crack in an election year, so anything that might eventually pass will be at least a couple years in the works.

[Beck_isright]

"I think it is almost certainly too tough a nut for Congress to crack in an election year, so anything that might eventually pass will be at least a couple years in the works."

We thought the same thing about CFR which W "promised" to oppose. It's now the law of the land.

[spunkets]

"Police states operate outside the law, like the Cheka in Russia after the Bolsheviks took over, or Hitler's Brown Shirts. "

Police States create there own laws, they do not operate outside their own laws and generally have the support of the people. You are attempting to divert attn from what a police state is by referencing their creators.

"Is your disregard for the law that great"

If the law and it's enforcement is an affront to Freedom and disrespects individual rights, then I have no respect for it.

[spunkets]

"then why are there not 20 to 30 million American legal citizens in jail?"

Hunt them down and present your evidence to the nearest IRS office. Then make a note of each case they ignore. If you find any post it hear and I'll ask them why. If they don't have a legit reaosn, I'll apologize and correct that statement.

[AzJohn]

We thought the same thing about CFR which W "promised" to oppose. It's now the law of the land.

I thought the point that was always made about CFR was that we didn't have to worry because the Supreme Court would strike it down. (I never bought that argument either.)

In any event, IIRC it did take several years to pass CFR. And I think immigration reform will take at least a couple years if it passes at all---but I'll admit that's purely speculation on my part.

[spunkets]

" According to the latest Harris poll, 85% of Americans oppose illegal immigrants."

The Harris poll is as worthless as Howard Dean's thoughts.

[Beck_isright]

"The Harris poll is as worthless as Howard Dean's thoughts."

Unless the Harris poll agrees with your Rovian viewpoint. Then it would be scientific and valid.

[skeeter]

Police States create there own laws, they do not operate outside their own laws and generally have the support of the people.

If the law and it's enforcement is an affront to Freedom and disrespects individual rights, then I have no respect for it.

Who, then, makes the laws?

[Beck_isright]

"Hunt them down and present your evidence to the nearest IRS office. Then make a note of each case they ignore. If you find any post it hear and I'll ask them why. If they don't have a legit reaosn, I'll apologize and correct that statement."

The current enforcement standard is .2% of all taxpayers. Half of them are captured via the audit process. Do your own homework. You'll find that enforcement via the IRS is only to scare the majority into filing. Your statement was that "all tax evaders" are prosecuted. You made a statement. Now back it up.

[txdoda]

I gave you reasons many folks don't want to see mass deportations and police state crackdowns. I don't want to fund that kind of scheme either.>>>>>

We could add a couple thousand 'in country' Fed. officers, & it work still take years to deport all illegals.


He wants to stop them at the border, quiz 'em and either give them the blue card, or send 'em packin'.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So you think *after* the proposal, anyone *sneaking in* is going to stop & take *the quiz* ??? LOL


He's moved and proposed the solution. I think it's a good move.>>>>>>>>

To each his own...........hopefully no jobs that effect you & yous will be 'listed' on GWB's new 'Internet match" scheme.........btw.....Do American Taxpayers also get to buy all these 'puters for the poor illegals ??

[spunkets]

"Then it would be scientific and valid."

It's a pointless question that obtained meaningless answers. Unless of course you understand what was really asked and use it as part of your intel.

[GigaDittos]

It's hard to know what is right isn't it?

[McGavin999]

Bush needs to enforce the law.

Great! Then let's give him one that he can enforce. That is, unless you want Kerry or Dean in the WH for the next couple of years.

[spunkets]

"anyone *sneaking in* is going to stop & take *the quiz* ??? LOL"

THe idea is that they had better, or they're busted. That's a simple concept.

"Do American Taxpayers also get to buy all these 'puters for the poor illegals ?"

The American taxpayer should not be buying anyone anything! Taxes are to be used to support legitimate govm't functions, not subsidizing and transfers of earnings.