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You suggest that none of us who oppose the President's immigration proposal, have offered anything but platitudes, etc.. But that is simply untrue. A number of posters have done considerable work, and made positive selections.

Frankly, I offer links to my own essays on the subject, rather than take up bandwith by posting them, as a consideration both to the Forum and to other posters. It would take you only a couple of seconds to click on the links below, to read my proposals on Immigration--which incidentally are consistent with my support for the McCarran-Walter Immigration Act from my Freshman year in College, on. The following essay, simply brings the argument for an origins conscious policy--the traditional Conservative approach--up to date:

Immigration & The American Future.

If you want to debate ideas on immigration, by all means do so. But do not just rely on the argument that at least the Administration has a proposal, as a reason to accept that proposal.

William Flax

"But the birth of an American nation will not be found in any act of immigration. America did not arise somewhere else to be transported hither, nor form a motivation for an original settlement."

The driving force was a quest for Freedom and opportunity. Those are concepts that existed long before America became the destination of those seeking the above. It was the folks that loved Freedom and opportunity that gave us that gift with Independence and a Constitution that honored it. They broke the friggin' law to do that. Moreover, they were originally able to stay, because the native Americans didn't have the combat power to enforce their immigration laws.

But do not just rely on the argument that at least the Administration has a proposal, as a reason to accept that proposal.

I never claimed to "accept" it. I claimed it courageous of Bush to come forward with what I feel is a sweeping start toward coming to grips with a sweeping problem.

In disagreement with the central premises of the arguments in you link, it's difficult for me to see how that philosophical outlook is applicable to a systematic approach to a solution involving at least logarithmically increasing millions (which, incidentally I did not see therein either).

(We should thank God we're dealing with predominantly Judeo-Christians here, and not Muslims as in Europe, so that at least our basic morals and values have a common conrnerstone, and that these might ultimately be incorporated into our long term reigning in of this problem.)

I'd yet like W's formula hashed out in Congress a little, in the spirit of what even I might impress upon some members, if my approach here holds up...which I feel so far it's doing fairly well.

Best to You and Your, always.