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To: spunkets
The costs of allowing illegals within our borders has been documented and it is enormous.
There is nothing in Bush's proposal that insures that after 3 years these guest workers will leave. Just as the government is not doing enough now to protect the borders, it will not do enough in 3 years.
And, just by Bush proposing this nationally, the Border Patrol agents have suddenly been dealing with 3 times the normal number of illegals pouring over the border.
Try living anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. and you will see how much bilingualism costs us. From voter pamphlets (oh yes, don't forget the voter fraud), to bilingual teachers, bilingual police, bilingual medical personnel, etc. And more, Americans are refused jobs because they are not bilingual. When an entire crew is spanish-speaking, they won't hire anyone else.
You do not have the facts on how wages at the low-end have been reduced by illegals working in canneries, hotels, janitorial services, car washes, fast food restaurants, etc.
Bush's proposal involves more than just illegals. His proposal states any foreigner from any country. This is a way around the 65,000 limit on H1bs. It means the labor pool is the whole world and 3rd world foreigners are willing to work for much less. Even as high-tech jobs are being lost to foreigners now, Bush proposing accelerating this. The accountants and paralegals are said to be next. The only sectors that have gained jobs are the low-end.
Bush's proposal will continue to gut the middle-class while continuing to hurt the low-wage earner.
Only a CEO would benefit. The word must get out that this is an attack on the average American.
My family's lived in Southern California for over 120 years. I've witnessed the destruction first-hand now for decades. I know Americans who could not get medical attention, but could have had they been illegals. Their doctors actually told them that to remove all uncertainty.

There is a very supportive network among the Hispanic community that helps every illegal from even before they cross the border. From housing, to medical, to jobs, to clothing, to welfare, to food stamps. They have all they need thanks to the American citizen, who is now suffering unduly and has already sacrificed (as you agree) for the 3rd world quite enough.

I strongly recommend Victor Davis Hanson's book "Mexifornia". Remember, as California goes, so goes the nation.
He stated on a national television program that he doesn't really care what color America becomes. But, he does care about our culture. And that we are headed toward Balkanization. In the early days, the number of illegals who crossed the border were comparatively few and could assimilate. Not anymore. We must reverse this, not accelerate it. BTW, our economy is not doing so well. We have a gigantic trade deficit with Communist China and a gigantic Budget deficit. Since Bush ~ 3 million jobs have been lost (mostly middle-class) and the shift of jobs has been from good wages to low wages. Coming to a neighborhood near you soon.
296 posted on 01/25/2004 10:02:41 AM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
"The costs of allowing illegals within our borders has been documented and it is enormous."

Excluding the criminals now. I pointed out that the fundamental reason for the costs is not the presence of the people, it's the rat policies that are in effect and will be there until and if they are ever removed. Take the case where the doc claimed that if the patient was illegal they'd have the med care med care. A citizen has that same care if their condition and income are low enough. Bilingualism is also a rat invention. It's rat policy that is the problem.how much bilingualism costs us.

"any foreigner from any country"

Only certain countries were included in the proposal. H1s are a joke now, all the rules do is delay. The meaning and requirements of the rules are ignored.

"the middle-class...this is an attack on the average American."

Again the attack is from rats implementing rat policy. The middle class, the avg American has a great deal to do with creating and implementing that rat socialism. At each level of govm't local to fed the policies and rules have been put in place by Americans, not illegals. This proposal has the potential to diminish the rat base.

As I see it, focusing time and resources on an effective attack on all illegals is a big time losing proposition. It diverts energy from the real enemy, the rats, and gives them a big propaganda advantage. I see the proposal as an effective strategy to solve much of the problem from this source. As far as the numbers issued guest passes the unemployment rate is 6%. That means most of them should be deported. They will be if the implementation is done right.

As I see it America is already Balkanized. It's between the conservatives and the rats, Freedom and socialism. That's the real fight.

300 posted on 01/25/2004 12:54:49 PM PST by spunkets
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