The End of Marriage in Scandinavia

The Weekly Standard ^ | February 2, 2004 | Stanley Kurtz

[Destro]

So it seems heterosexuals have given up on traditional marriage and homosexuals have embraced the concept? The gay fools!

Howard Stern of all people explains it best. Marriage in the Western world has become a legalistic and expensive institution. Men will not increasingly accept the inequities of the marriage contract and the potential crippiling divorce built into the system. Would you sign a business contract with clauses that resembled a wedding contract's clauses? No man would.

[Destro]

So it seems heterosexuals have given up on traditional marriage and homosexuals have embraced the concept? The gay fools!

Howard Stern of all people explains it best. Marriage in the Western world has become a legalistic and expensive institution. Men will not increasingly accept the inequities of the marriage contract and the potential crippiling divorce built into the system. Would you sign a business contract with clauses that resembled a wedding contract's clauses? No man would.

PS: I should also add that with sex easily available now plus the crippling cost to a working man that marriage entails also means that marriage becomes a less attractive alternative for the Western world.

[Paleo Conservative]

This is a temporary situation. as birthrates among the native Scandinavians plummet, birthrates among Muslim immigrants remain high. Furthermore, they don't follow the Scandinavian examples of having children outside of marriage. In a few decades, Muslims will be the majority in Scandinavia and will vote to impose the Sharia. Those Scandiavians who are still practicing Christians will have dhimmitude force onto them. Those who are non-believers will face worth. Demographics + "one man one vote" ain't life a bitch.

[Cacique]

ping

[Doctor Stochastic]

The author seems to have overlooked Iceland's experience.

[longtermmemmory]

The whole center of the Mass opinion is to remove marriage from parenthood. The judge who wrote the opinion has long wanted to seperate children from marriage in order to justify marriage as a sanction of sex partners only.

The US has to adopt the Federal Marriage Amendment in order to draw the line.

Given time it will be a crime for mothers and fathers to teach their chidlren that homosexuality is morally wrong.

[little jeremiah]

A very interesting but LOOOONG read - I couldn't manage all of it tonight. Bookmarked for further study. BTW, about (maybe) one third of the way down one or two (?) paragraphs are repeated...


Homosexual Agenda Ping! I thought we were done for tonight, but it was not so. (It will be the last one tonight, I promise!)

A VERY long but extremely interesting read. Thorough research showing that "gay" marriage does indeed harm actual marriage, but is also a symptom of the already broken family and marriage situation. Also evidence that "gay" activists really don't give a flying etc about monogamy or marriage; it's a political ploy to normalize same sex sodomy and destroy morality.

Let me know if you want either (a) ON or (b) OFF this highly infuriating and informative ping list.

[longtermmemmory]

actually marriage is an institution. If it were a contract the terms of the agreement would not change. As an institution, legilatures can change the terms of divorce process at will. Child support guidelines and rules for enforcemnt change almost annually.

Child visitation is virtually irrelevant in the court system. I have yet to see a judge who will enforce visitation with the same zeal as a mere accusation for an increase in child support.

[little jeremiah]

Which would be....?

[longtermmemmory]

What is iceland's experience?

[Angelus Errare]

Thought you might be interested to read this one.

[Destro]

Whatever the terminology--men are not getting married at the rates they used to in nations with laws like our own. I won't pay half my salary to my ex-wife till I die.

All you Evangelicals want to save the instituition of marriage? Save the men from the divorce and child custody laws.

Aside thought: From what I hear in such marriages gay men both work and have no kids so divorce won't mean much to them but to a hetero man it is a killer.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Here

Iceland has had a long history or out-of-wedlock births. It may be due their method of passing on family names.

[Travis McGee]

Exactly. Just wait for Scandinavian Sharia law. We'll see it in our lifetimes.

[rmlew]

Swedish ping

[GrandMoM]

. Also evidence that "gay" activists really don't give a flying etc about monogamy or marriage; it's a political ploy to normalize same sex sodomy and destroy morality.

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not heard that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?Wherefore, they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therfore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:4-6

[little jeremiah]

Right - it's also deeply motivated by their rebellion against the Author of all laws, both natural and moral. It's a horrible temper trantrum against the Supreme Lord and His universe. It's a very deep evil.

[little jeremiah]

I don't have time to check out your link tonight; I keep trying to get off FR and have an actual life tonight, but I keep having to ping people! I have heard that in Iceland the family name is merely "father's name" plus "son" or "daughter" in Icelandic. Does your linked article mention the prevalence of either homosexuality or couples (married or unmarried) disuniting? Does it mention whether the unmarried mothers are "single" as in no man or just living with the father?

I'll try to check your article tomorrow.

[ChiMark]

Do we need to study the effects of secularism by studying Sweden? Look at what the liberals have done to the black family in the U.S. Note the paragraph stating the increase of death among boys in single mnother families. The sophisto's have often used scandanavian countries as a hallmark of secular humanism experimentation. And now those countries continue to shrink in influence and population. The barbarians have come but the Swede is too weak, apathetic or drugged out to give a hoot.