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Famous American Strategist Calls for Support of Iranian Students (by SMCCDI)
TransNational Radical Party ^

Posted on 01/24/2004 8:48:59 AM PST by William McKinley

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To: DoctorZIn
When I first started reading your posts I thought you might have discovered something new and important. If you had found proof of some kind of insidious conspiracy I would be would be ever so thankful.
I always try to be helpful. And you are more than welcome to try and be dismissive of me and my concerns. It is always an option.

But pardon me if I pull the string on some of my concerns. Even if I am a bit of a moral absolutist, in as far as I grasp how devastating far-left governments are to the people under them. I hate theocracies, and I hate repressive regimes. I also hate leftist regimes, and do not see them as being measurable better than theocracies.

I was on board with your efforts when it seemed to me that those behind the scenes (such as the person, Aryo Pirouznia, who set up the SMCCDI website were people who were supportive of Reza Pahlavi. And I fully appreciate the need to find support (and resources) whereever possible. But there is a rule of thumb, which is that any organization which is not expressly right wing eventually becomes or is taken over by left wing interests (if they weren't that way from the start).

And despite your dismissive attitude towards me, that is a legitimate concern especially when I am seeing joint declarations (hosted on the SMCCDI website) and joint initiatives (hosted on the TRP website) and photo galleries of meetings (when none are made of similar meetings with non-leftist groups). How deep is the involvement? Obviously, Nicole Sadighi -- a spokeswoman of the SMCCDI-- is deeply involved ("Nicole Sadighi is also a member of our Transnational Radical Party"-- Stefania Lepanna).

DoctorZIn, I came with questions and concerns, and you are cementing my concerns with your lack of concern over these matters.

21 posted on 01/25/2004 6:50:31 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: DoctorZIn
I just wanted to ad, that Sadighi is not just an unimportant figure in the SMCCDI. According to this posted on the SMCCDI website, she is "SMCCDI's Representative" and the "European co-ordinator of the main opposition movement to the ayatollah regime".
22 posted on 01/25/2004 7:14:33 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
“Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests”

George Washington

23 posted on 01/25/2004 8:03:37 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: William McKinley
What makes you think they are not supportive of Reza Pahlavi now?
24 posted on 01/25/2004 8:31:44 AM PST by nuconvert ( It's a naive domestic Burgundy without any breeding, ..I think you'll be amused by its presumption)
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To: DoctorZIn
I appears that you are saying that unless these Iranians can prove they are ideologically pure and committed to your version of anti-socialism, then we should stop all support for their quest for freedom and give them over to the socialists.

If the main goal has always been to further democracy while defeating the terrorists, in line with the Bush administration's goal... wouldn't it also be true that when it comes time to rebuild a nation after its revolution, the US would be there to help? Prior to the uprising of the Islamic republic, didn't the US and Iran enjoy many years of common goals and mutual agreement? Won't it be possible to return to such cooperation, in peace?

I think of socialist Europe, and realize that the EU is not reaching out with open arms to the Iranian people, but instead props up the regime. In the war in Iraq, we have support from former Eastern Bloc nations that recognize the dangers of communism, Poland chief among them. In the aftermath of revolution in Iran, wouldn't those that recognize the evils of communism rally around the Iranian people as they begin to form their government?

In gathering support for freedom in Iran, the people are desperate for resources. If we do not stand up to help them, and show them the power of a republican form of government, then we have failed. Leaving them to the leftists is not an answer. Railing against the evils of socialism will not show the people the danger. Their movement is so young and so weak, why dash their hopes before they have even begun to fight?

The media and leftist movements in America appear to ignore Iran. If a socialist agenda could gather strength, wouldn't we hear more about it in the press? Why is it that the regime's greatest ally, the socialists in Europe, cannot keep the puppets in power? They cannot protect them from themselves.

This is all much ado about nothing, unless revolution comes. And with the boot of the mullahs on the necks of the people, I do not see revolution on the horizon. And that is the tragedy, not the concern over the specter of socialism in the future.

25 posted on 01/25/2004 8:42:08 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (He who has never hoped can never despair.)
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To: nuconvert
I think that almost certainly, some are.

I am equally convinced, some are radical leftist. Sadaghi's involvement is enough to make that apparent.

Understanding how much sway each faction has is important. One of the reasons that Iran is in the mess it is now is that in the late 70s, groups bought into change without having a true understanding of who would be empowered by the change.

Perhaps some think a crapshoot is a good idea-- hey, let's roll the dice. It can't end up worse than we have now, can it? Get rid of the theocracy, and let's take our chances.

My answer is, it most certainly can end up worse than we have now. You see, a far left regime would be just as tragic for the Iranian people, but would be harder to remove because instead of being the focus of the left-controlled humanitarian groups like Amnesty International, they would get only cursory attention from those groups. They would have the support of far-left groups worldwide, they would have apologetics in the United States media preventing any groundswell of support.

In other words, pretty much there is one shot here once the regime is deposed for the Iranian people for several decades. If the far left, such as those of the same mindset as the TRP, win the day, the opportunity for freedom for the Iranian people will be gone for an entire generation.

26 posted on 01/25/2004 8:44:27 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
I understand your concerns. No one wants Iran to end up with a far left government.

As far as I understand, they are still supportive of Pahlavi.
27 posted on 01/25/2004 8:53:25 AM PST by nuconvert ( It's a naive domestic Burgundy without any breeding, ..I think you'll be amused by its presumption)
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To: William McKinley
Reading anything by Jack Wheeler is worth it..especially about Muslims, Islam or the Quran....
28 posted on 01/25/2004 9:34:13 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: William McKinley; DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot
I recognize your concerns on this matter, however, the history of revolutions show that they're far more effective when all opposition groups unite.

All opposition against the Islamic Republic must unite under one banner to be able to effectively battle the regime. The regime has it's supporters, some 15% are fiercly loyal and will gives their lives in a second to defend the regime. They also have supporters in Europe, Russia, China, and even in the United States so in order to psychologically, and politically battle the regime and their supporters --opposition must be united.

Don't worry- "Leftists", don't have a chance of taking over Iran's government in free and fair elections. A Leftist organization is the MKO, or MEK, and they have very minimal support inside the country. Of course, there is always the possibility of them taking over with brutal force, but i think our government is more prepared to take on that possibility and won't allow it to happen.

But you bring up a good point in that we have to be careful that what happened in 1979 doesn't happen again. The majority of the people demonstrating against the Shah were Social Democrats, Nationalists, and some Leftists, strangely enough because of promises of free and fair elections and democracy they all united under Khomeini.

After taking over Khoemini's followers killed off thousands upon thousands of the people that supported his calls for democracy, whereby he installed the Theocratic Dictatorship we see in Iran today.



29 posted on 01/25/2004 11:33:34 AM PST by freedom44
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To: freedom44
If only one could say that the MEK/MKO were indicative of the entire support of the Iranian left, isolated, without the backing of the people, and completely looney.

Unfortunatley, that is not the case.

The TRP is not involved out of the goodness of their hearts. They aren't just voicing some support because they give a damn about the people of Iran. They are doing so because they believe it advances their strategic and political interests. They obviously feel that they will be well positioned when the revolution comes.

The cavalier attitude being shown to me regarding their influence is not comforting.

And yes, you are correct that the history of revolutions shows that they most often succeed at toppling the regime when all opposition groups unite. But the history of revolutions also shows that more times than not, the people do not end up in any better of a situation, and the history of revolutions in modern times shows that quite often, it is because the far left grabs power.

30 posted on 01/25/2004 12:20:33 PM PST by William McKinley
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