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This sounds like a book that merits a serious look-see.
1 posted on 01/24/2004 1:58:50 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
What we are seeing is the inherent evil possible within mindless beliefs.
2 posted on 01/24/2004 2:05:40 PM PST by thinktwice (The human mind is blessed with reason, and to waste that blessed mind is treason)
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To: quidnunc
This woman was a guest on The O'Reilly Factor a while ago. For the record, she's a lesbian and apparently a feminist. With that in mind, I'm not sure that she'll be able to succeed with her call to reform in the Islamic world (do most adherent Christians listen to the ECUSA or the Jesus Seminar for theological reform advice?).
3 posted on 01/24/2004 2:05:51 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: quidnunc
Why haven't other Muslims realized that an Islamic movement similar to the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment is the only way their faith will survive?

I don't know the answer, but I think its because of the certainty - the inner peace, if you like - that Islam gives to its adherents.
From my Christian perspective that certainty is based on a false and erroneous faith, but I don't deny that Islam is a powerful and compelling narcotic.
4 posted on 01/24/2004 2:06:47 PM PST by quadrant
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To: quidnunc
Agreed! She sounds very intelligent. I liked her point about their religion needing a Martin Luther.

I didn't realize that girls also went to the islamic schools.
6 posted on 01/24/2004 2:12:25 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Tagline? What the heck's a tagline????)
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To: quidnunc
People question quite often why muslims don't speak out against the radicals within their faith.

" She supplied her own answer when she said she had received several death threats."

That is why.
But they are speaking out more and more.
12 posted on 01/24/2004 2:24:20 PM PST by nuconvert ( It's a naive domestic Burgundy without any breeding, ..I think you'll be amused by its presumption)
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To: quidnunc
As the comments so far suggest, Islam won't be easy to reform. This book is published by St. Martin's Press, which is generally "mainstream" or liberal. They accept this woman's criticism of Muslims because she is a woman, certifiably oppressed, and because she claims to be a Muslim herself.

The question is, however, whether she can make these kinds of arguments and still legitimately call herself a Muslim. I wonder how many of the basic Muslim obligations she observes.

The obligations for Muslim women are different than the ones for men, as I understand it. Among the primary obligations of women are to cover themselves up, stay in the house, keep their mouths shut, and obey their Muslim husbands. So, although the idea of a woman criticizing Islam appeals to St. Martin's Press and many westerners, it's unlikely to appeal to Muslims.
17 posted on 01/24/2004 2:27:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: quidnunc
Saw her on TV; smart and intelligent.

On a recent trip to India, she had a fatwa of death put on her head by Bangladeshi loons.

19 posted on 01/24/2004 2:30:46 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: quidnunc
The Trouble With Islam... "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many, who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are FEW who find it." Matthew 7:13-14
21 posted on 01/24/2004 2:32:11 PM PST by Luke (u)
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To: quidnunc
Our government needs to tell the Arab world and Islam to grow up and thus far we might was well be dealing with aliens from another star system. Islam doe correctly highlight some real problems within Western culture and
Abercromite Fitch capitalism.
27 posted on 01/24/2004 2:47:04 PM PST by Helms (Liberals believe we are Crash Dummies on the hectic highway of the Cosmos)
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To: quidnunc
If ever there was a moment for an Islamic reformation, it's now.

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Islam can not be reformed any more than a king cobrah or hyena can be reformed. In the first place it is rooted in worship at the feet of a madman from sixteen hundred years ago who believed his madness was a message from allah. It's downhill from there.

34 posted on 01/24/2004 3:36:33 PM PST by RLK
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To: quidnunc
My favorite Indo-Ugandan Canadian Muslim is Alliance MP Rahim Jaffer.
42 posted on 01/24/2004 4:28:00 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: quidnunc
The NYT Book Review for tomorrow has this review:
'The Trouble With Islam': Reform From Within

By ANDREW SULLIVAN

Published: January 25, 2004

here is one anecdote in this bracing little book that still makes me crack a smile long after reading it. As a 13-year-old student attending a madrasa in suburban Vancouver, Irshad Manji, a Muslim immigrant of South Asian origins from Uganda, was subjected to a familar tirade against the Jews by her teacher -- to whom she gives the name ''Mr. Khaki.'' Unfazed by the disapproval she knew she would garner and completely unsuited to the kind of supine deference her teacher was obviously asking for, Irshad began to pose some tough questions:

''I remember asking why Prophet Muhammad would have commanded his army to kill an entire Jewish tribe when the Koran supposedly came to him as a message of peace. Mr. Khaki couldn't cope. He shot me a look of contempt, gave an annoyed wave of the hand and cut short history class, only to hold Koran study next. Me and my big mouth.''

But Irshad wasn't done with Mr. Khaki. She kept asking awkward questions throughout the year. A kind of Lisa Simpson of Islam, one day she simply demanded that Mr. Khaki provide some evidence of the alleged Jewish plot. She recalls:

''What he provided was an ultimatum: 'Either you believe or get out. And if you get out, get out for good.'

'' 'Really? That's it?'

'' 'That's it.'

''With my temples throbbing and my neck sweating under the itchy polyester chador, I stood up. As I crossed the partition checkpoint, I could have uncovered my head for all the boys to see, but I didn't want to risk the humiliation of being chased out by an even more scandalized Mr. Khaki. All I could think to do was fling open the madrasa's hefty metal door and yell, 'Jesus Christ!' A memorable exit, I hoped.''

''The Trouble With Islam'' is a memorable entrance. It isn't the most learned or scholarly treatise on the history or theology of Islam; its dabbling in geopolitics is haphazard and a little naive; its rhetorical hyperbole can sometimes seem a mite attention-seeking -- like that final ''Jesus Christ!'' in the madrasa. But its spirit is undeniable, and long, long overdue. Reading it feels like a revelation. Manji, a Canadian journalist and television personality, does what so many of us have longed to see done: assail fundamentalist Islam itself for tolerating such evil in its midst. And from within.

Her basic argument is that the Koran is a complex, contradictory, human book. Its proscriptions are many and conflicting. Abandoning the role of a thinking person is not something that should be required of any religious individual. Reason and faith, Manji wants to believe, are not in conflict. And yet, as Islam is frequently practiced, reason is deplored as something that should defer in every instance not simply to the Koran but to the political authoritarians who reserve to themselves the sole right to interpret it.

What Manji discovered in the madrasa was a symptom of what she sees as a broader and deeper problem: that Muslims have stopped thinking, that their faith has been hijacked by tyrants and bullies, and that it has become infested with all kinds of hatred -- of Jews, of women, of gays, of the West. And instead of confronting these issues directly and openly, most Western Muslims -- perhaps the only group of Muslims with the actual freedom to question, criticize and debate -- have decided to retreat into victimology and appeasement. Aided and abetted by the moral nihilism of academic postmodernism, these people have surrendered to the new fascists of the Arab world.

I just hope Manji is ready for a very rough ride ahead. She is not exactly diplomatic. Here's one typical rhetorical flourish: ''Through our screaming self-pity and our conspicuous silences, we Muslims are conspiring against ourselves. We're in crisis, and we're dragging the rest of the world with us. If ever there was a moment for an Islamic reformation, it's now. For the love of God, what are we doing about it?''

Her answer to her own question is guilelessly to challenge certain givens. The Koran mandates the veiling of the wives of the Prophet. So why are all women now required to be covered from head to foot? In the distant past, Islam integrated and celebrated human diversity, and honored Christian and Jewish culture. So why has Islam degenerated into a maelstrom of the most virulent anti-Semitism? ''Let there be no compulsion in religion,'' says Chapter 2 of the Koran. So why do many Arab Muslim states persecute or ostracize nonbelievers?

Manji wants to know why some extraordinary statements of Muslim intolerance are dismissed or ignored. She writes: ''Here's a passage straight out of an Arabic-language textbook distributed by the Saudis to Muslim schoolchildren in America: 'The unbelievers, idolaters and others like them must be hated and despised. . . . We must stay away from them and create barriers between us and them.' '' This textbook is being read in America. Why? And why isn't there a groundswell of outrage among American Muslims about this kind of message? Or, for that matter, by American non-Muslims?

Of course, Manji will be widely dismissed. She is a young woman and she is a lesbian. She loves the West, its freedoms and its opportunities. She has visited Israel and found it more open, more self-critical, more admirable than its Arab Muslim neighbors. She is clearly and primarily an individualist, a person who thinks for herself. It will be asked, as it is asked of many Westerners, why she simply cannot accept that religion is not about reason. Why doesn't she simply cease being a Muslim? Or why doesn't she simply submit?

Her answer is a straightforward and moving one. She wants to embrace her faith by understanding it fully, by realizing its vision of human equality, by resuscitating the ancient Islamic tradition of ijtihad: questioning, asking, thinking. Like gay Christians demanding accountability from their faith, she is not content to have Scripture read to her and then be told to shut up. She refuses to be treated like an idiot. Sure, when she reads about women being stoned for adultery or gay people being murdered by religious fanatics, she is tempted merely to leave, to wash her hands. ''But each time I reached the brink of excommunicating myself, I pulled back. Not out of fear. Out of fairness -- to myself. One question begged for more thought: If the all-knowing, all-powerful God didn't wish to make me a lesbian, then why didn't he make someone else in my place?''

I'm glad he didn't. Manji's prescriptions for change in Islam -- Western loans to Muslim businesswomen, for example -- seem dwarfed by the scale of the problem. She barely touches the difficult topic of American foreign policy as a critical aspect of the defanging of Islamism. She can be a little glib at times, a little too fond of her own tone of voice and of her smart-aleck phrasemaking. But her plea endures because it is so clearly genuine. One question she asks reverberates in my mind: ''What if Mohamed Atta had been raised on soul-stretching questions instead of simple certitudes?''

The relationship between the state of contemporary Islam and the mass murderers of Al Qaeda is not a simple one; but it surely exists. In the voice of this young woman, you can hear the willingness to ask why, and how the situation can be remedied. You can hear, in fact, the distinct tone of liberalism, a liberalism that seeks not to abolish faith but to establish a new relationship with it. If we survive this current war without unthinkable casualties, it will be because that kind of liberalism didn't lose its nerve. Think of Manji as a nerve ending for the West -- shocking, raw, but mercifully, joyously, still alive.

Andrew Sullivan is a senior editor at The New Republic and a columnist for Time.

ML/NJ
44 posted on 01/24/2004 4:35:38 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: quidnunc
Islam is on a collision course with the 21st century.
46 posted on 01/24/2004 4:44:23 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (((Live Free or Die!!)))
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To: quidnunc
This young woman is speaking with a clear vision of the truth. Unfortunately, I think she has signed her own Death Warrant. Remember the death sentence for Salman Rushdie although he has, to date, avoided his fate.
49 posted on 01/24/2004 7:25:15 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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