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Orange Growers Irked by Low-Carb Diets
Associated Press via Yahoo! News ^ | January 21, 2004 | MIKE SCHNEIDER

Posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:38 PM PST by PJ-Comix

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To: WFTR
The diet doesn't need to be particularly low carb or high carb. It just needs to be balanced.

True. But what the food-nannies call a "balanced" diet has changed over the last 30 years from modest-carb modest-fat to low-fat and high-carb.

101 posted on 01/25/2004 12:41:18 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Hank Rearden
hat I don't understand is the emphasis that plain water is better than other drinks.

Caffeine is a diuretic and will tend to cause the kidneys to eliminate excess water. So tea, coffee, and most colas are non-good.

102 posted on 01/25/2004 12:51:28 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: PJ-Comix
No one has mentioned "Naked Juice" which is just fresh juice, bottled. I love the Tangerine.

I don't do soda; I try to avoid corn syrup. The only tea I drink now is herbal (no caffeine). I drink at least 40 oz of water per day.

I limit my red meat, usually eating turkey or chicken.
103 posted on 01/25/2004 1:08:26 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!!
104 posted on 01/25/2004 3:07:12 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Hank Rearden
Well, besides what their acid does to teeth, the high phosphorus content of some soft drinks can throw off your magnesium balance, since it leaches magnesium from your tissues, which can result in illness--so it depends on what diet sodas you drink and how much you're drinking. I'd count it as part of my water intake too, but I'm cautious about artificial sweeteners. I didn't use them at all till I was done having all my babies, just to be very cautious, and I'm sparing with them now.

I knew a man in his 70s who drank absolutely nothing but coffee and still had an active life--when he died it was of an accident. My religion forbids it and I don't like it, so I have two reasons not to drink coffee, but it seems there is some positive chemistry going on with coffee, as with tea. Caffeine? I wouldn't be surprised if a total ban on caffeine in this country didn't result in a huge upswing in motor vehicle accidents. It probably saves many lives. But it's addictive and probably has mild negative health

Kidney stones are supposed to be just as bad as childbirth--you must be tough.
105 posted on 01/25/2004 9:51:20 AM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: naguszed; All
Carb-laden diets are the fad. Refined sugars & bleached processed flour crept into our diets significantly in the last 20 years.

Starting with "Diet for a Small Planet", the Food Lefties panned Meat and pushed "Complex Carbohydrates."

In my Great Grandma's day, it was simply called "Starch", and everyone knew that the reason poor Southerners were Obese [and had Palagra] was lack of Meat and reliance on Starch like corn.

What you are seeing is the reaction of a Whole World that has been lied to for 25 Years.

Carb demand is down in Europe, as well.

106 posted on 01/25/2004 9:54:58 AM PST by Lael (BRING IT ON...Constitutional Reform of the JUDICIARY!!!)
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To: Triple Word Score
Kidney stones are supposed to be just as bad as childbirth--you must be tough.

I know a couple of women who've experienced both, and would prefer childbirth. Kidney stones can be, ummmmm, unpleasant.

I'm just grateful for ESWL, the ultrasonic stone-smashing machines. Have had it 4-5 times; no cutting required and quick recovery. Just as expensive as the old-fashioned cut 'n sew, though. Unbelievably expensive, as is everything in a hospital these days.

107 posted on 01/25/2004 10:25:53 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Years ago when I had a kidney stone, my urologist told me how much water to drink, and said I could count anything that was wet. That included coffee, colas, etc. I was pretty darned surprised.
108 posted on 01/25/2004 1:04:04 PM PST by KeyTapper
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To: Mr. Mojo; Delphinium; PJ-Comix; adam_az
"And yep, I'm aware that it works for some, although not all, people."

I hate to be picking on you, since this is a comment that has often been made, but since you are the one who made the comment here, I want to see some evidence.

Who doesn't the diet work for?
We keep seeing this statement but without any factual support.

109 posted on 01/25/2004 8:39:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: finnman69
"Atkins died fat"

Atkins, for the record, died of a serious head injury.

Statistically, fat people, as in 50 pounds "overweight," are among the longest lived. Most of the people who live past 90 were "overweight" according to the propaganda tables for most of their life. All people begin to lose weight uncontrollably late in life.

110 posted on 01/25/2004 8:48:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: Triple Word Score
"Apparently if you don't live IN NYC you can only get things that look like bagels but aren't, if NYers are to be believed."

Well, I've never believed a NYer, but that is another issue.

Go to any Costco store. Their bagels are made by Noah's in New York, and shipped frozen, un-cooked, and then baked at the store. They are the real thing.

111 posted on 01/25/2004 9:01:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Who doesn't the diet work for?

I only know 2 people that tried it. One of them didn't lose any weight, and her energy level dropped to nil. She changed to a high carb (lots of pasta), low fat diet and lost 30 lbs.

My dad was the other one, and although he lost 7 pounds in the month he was (strictly) on the diet, his cholesterol shot up through the roof, so he gave it up. (He's only about 15 lbs overweight anyway). His doc told him he's seen many people on Atkins, and the cholesterol problem was not a unique one.

He then switched to a diet of whole (not processed) grains, lots of veggies, fruit, nuts and seeds (although not too much), and fish .....and an occasional steak. Lost the rest of the weight, and his cholesterol levels dropped to normal.

lol.....and no, their cases aren't documented by the medical establishment, so I can't supply any "hard evidence."

But it's pretty obvious that people have vastly different metabolisms, constitutions, etc., so not every diet will work for everybody. ....and that includes Aktins.

Amazing ......a lot of folks have an almost religious attachment to this thing.

112 posted on 01/25/2004 9:07:39 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: editor-surveyor
It works as long as you stay on it.
113 posted on 01/25/2004 9:07:59 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: editor-surveyor
No Costco where I am.

I don't think you can uncook things here, either. ;-)

But it's a nice thought!
114 posted on 01/25/2004 9:18:36 PM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: Mr. Mojo
I know a guy who went on it and it didn't work.

Found out later he was eating lots of oranges, and apples too because he thought it would be healthy.

It doesn't work unless you follow the basic guidelines.

Amazing ......a lot of folks have an almost religious attachment to this thing.

The reason people defend it is because it works so well. Not only do we lose weight but we feel so much better. And we have come to know that much of the propaganda out there until now about what is, and isn't good for us was false.

Read the book,or better yet "Dr Atkin Age-Defying Diet" You might understand more about it. You can usually pick one up real cheap at half.com.
115 posted on 01/25/2004 9:19:16 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh, duh--"un-cooked" was an adjective, not a verb. ;-) Sorry! I need some sleep. Goodnight!
116 posted on 01/25/2004 9:20:19 PM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: Delphinium
Well, unlike a lot of people, I personally have never had a weight problem, so none of these diets that expose all the "false propaganda" really interest me much. I eat healthful food, get lots of exercise, and stay lean and mean.

117 posted on 01/25/2004 9:25:38 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Good for you. You might still be young. Aging starts happening fast. I have had to watch my weight but one of the main reasons I stay on this diet is I do not want to be a crippled up old lady.
118 posted on 01/25/2004 9:30:11 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Mr. Mojo
But it's pretty obvious that people have vastly different metabolisms, constitutions, etc., so not every diet will work for everybody. ....and that includes Aktins.

Well said and I think the Doc would have agreed with you.

119 posted on 01/25/2004 9:34:27 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Delphinium
And I'm happy that you're doing well on Atkins; I hope your good health continues.
120 posted on 01/25/2004 9:36:07 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Thanks

And I think exercise is one of the most important things.
121 posted on 01/25/2004 9:39:46 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
I found a Breyer's ice cream tonight named "Carb Smart". We have been on the Atkins diet for 6 months and have never felt better.

I have been making a low carb custard to compliment the berries we eat, but this ice cream will do......
122 posted on 01/25/2004 9:49:48 PM PST by finch
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To: PJ-Comix
BUMP
123 posted on 01/25/2004 10:41:51 PM PST by GrandMoM ("Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit," says the Lord Almighty. {Zechariah 4:6})
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To: finch
Oh great, I am going to look for it.

I did find that too much dairy stuff slows weight loss.
124 posted on 01/25/2004 10:52:31 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: sweetliberty
Hey, eat and drink whatever the heck you want, enjoy yourself, and take the consequences! If you don't react to excess carbs, knock yourself out!

All I'm saying is that *I* just can't do it anymore, many other people can't do it either, and there are good reasons why we are that way.
125 posted on 01/26/2004 12:53:21 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: PJ-Comix
Well, I have recently started eating low carb -- and cut out orange juice -- and for the first time in years, I am sick as a dog. I can't stop coughing, I have been sneezing, I have a headache, and I am tired and weak all the time.

Consequently, I think I will return to drinking a lot of orange juice, because when I did, I was never sick like I am now.
126 posted on 01/26/2004 8:58:26 AM PST by summer
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To: PJ-Comix
Every time I hear the Atkin's zealots pontificate I am reminded of the unforseen results of Steve Martin's invention in 'The Jerk'...
127 posted on 01/26/2004 9:04:00 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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