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Japan contradicts Kay's statement that Iraq had no WMDs
Japan Today (currently on home page) ^ | Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 14:24 JST | Kyodo News

Posted on 01/29/2004 7:14:06 AM PST by litany_of_lies

Japan contradicts Kay's statement that Iraq had no WMDs (FULL TEXT)

Thursday, January 29, 2004 at 14:24 JST
TOKYO — Japan on Thursday contradicted a statement made in the U.S. Senate by David Kay, who resigned recently as the top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, that ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

"Weapons of mass destruction existed" in Iraq, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda said. The continued existence of such weapons in Iraq is still seen as "a strong possibility." Fukuda also questioned the credibility of Kay's remarks, saying his current posture and the grounds for the opinion should be checked, but failed to reveal his own grounds for contradicting Kay's statement. (Kyodo News


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Japan; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; davidkay; intelligence; iraq; japan; unitedstates; wmd
A great big "Hmmmm....."
1 posted on 01/29/2004 7:14:07 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Well...I may have to actually root for Tokyo in the next Godzilla film. :)
2 posted on 01/29/2004 7:15:14 AM PST by TheBigB (I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.)
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To: litany_of_lies
Something is up. Too many intelligence reports from too many sources for all of them to be wrong, as Kay is asserting. But who knows why this game is being played...
3 posted on 01/29/2004 7:16:21 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain
"But who knows why this game is being played..."

Maybe Kay has had the same visits that were made to Scott Ritter.

4 posted on 01/29/2004 7:18:23 AM PST by fishtank
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To: over3Owithabrain
this is probably wishful thinking, but it would be a fine trap for whoever runs against Bush in November. Get them to make it their #1 argument, then *voila* a reasonable cache is discovered.

5 posted on 01/29/2004 7:19:32 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: fishtank
To be fair to Kay, he still thinks invading was the prudent thing to do. People are just cherry-picking his lengthy remarks.
6 posted on 01/29/2004 7:20:15 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: over3Owithabrain
But who knows why this game is being played...

I think Dubya is doing a massive rope-a-dope.

7 posted on 01/29/2004 7:21:26 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I doubt it. The stockpiles haven't been found so they are dealing with it up front and early. These things happen in the real World. The war was still wise and just. The debate that goes on in our left wing media is (by design) destructive. We need to be having a national debate about Syria, Iran & N Korea. Goal 2 of the media is to prevent the Bush administration from doing anything else effective.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 7:27:20 AM PST by Williams
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To: over3Owithabrain
Do the words 'upcoming election' mean anything to you? That seems to be the one thing that all of the 27,000 demoratic candidates are babbling about.

9 posted on 01/29/2004 7:27:28 AM PST by Jaded (Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
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To: litany_of_lies
Hmmm...that's two foreign leaders making the same comments...interesting.
10 posted on 01/29/2004 7:28:47 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: litany_of_lies
The democrats yesterday made a big deal about why Cheney is still claiming (as of a week ago) that the two large vans discovered in Iraq are biolabs when Kay has already stated they're not. As Roberts explained, the CIA still insists that these vans were used for biological production. I think Kay put it best when he said we are going to have to live with a lot of unresolved ambiguity. Even now, we still have differences of opinion.
11 posted on 01/29/2004 7:29:34 AM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I think Dubya is doing a massive rope-a-dope.

I hope not, but it would be quite politically effective if he were. Cynical, but effective.

I was a big Avengers fan, too.

12 posted on 01/29/2004 7:30:34 AM PST by skeeter
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To: litany_of_lies
There are weapons of mass destruction. They are hidden underground in a neigboring country. It's very likely they will be found later this year. Imagine all the egg that will be dripping from certain faces.
13 posted on 01/29/2004 7:32:36 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: Britton J Wingfield
"To be fair to Kay, he still thinks invading was the prudent thing to do. People are just cherry-picking his lengthy remarks"

Kay said as much yesterday, when he talked about a NY Times article that did just that. His testimony was very enlightening and he made great points of how Iraq may have been a greater threat because of the lying and cheating going on.
14 posted on 01/29/2004 7:35:57 AM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: Williams
Goal 2 of the media is to prevent the Bush administration from doing anything else effective.

Which fits in very nicely to current short-term Goal 1 of the terrorists. If the terrorist sympathizers and their media apparatchiks succeed in foreclosing the military option elsewhere (and they're close, I fear), the terrorists can then go back to focusing all of their efforts on their main goals: destruction of Israel and destabilizing the capitalist West.

15 posted on 01/29/2004 7:40:25 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: finnman69
Is the Iraqi leader the other leader you're referring to?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067515/posts
16 posted on 01/29/2004 7:41:11 AM PST by dawn53
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To: skeeter
Bush has Osama Bin Ladin AND all of Saddam's WMD in an undisclosed location to pull out for an awesome October surprise. At least that's what Madeline Halfbright told me in the Fox Studios green room the other day.
17 posted on 01/29/2004 7:43:04 AM PST by kevao
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To: litany_of_lies
It is odd for Kay to come out that strongly in reversing himself in saying it's now unlikely Iraq had stockpiles of WMD. They could easily be buried, underground. Just seems as if he was impatient. It is obvious that Iraq prepared for the war and was up to something. They had those chemical/biological suits at the ready, they've got a long history with WMD and their refusal to cooperate with inspectors, etc. There's just too much there that Kay's words are not the final word on the WMD and Iraq matter.
18 posted on 01/29/2004 7:44:06 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: kevao
Hello, Mor-ton!
19 posted on 01/29/2004 7:45:32 AM PST by michaelt
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To: litany_of_lies
We had too much intelligence from too many countries for it all be wrong. If they were ALL wrong, we're in serious trouble.

However, I think there is every chance that Kay is wrong and the intelligence agencies around the world were right.
20 posted on 01/29/2004 8:08:15 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: litany_of_lies
Geesh! Get a grip.

You could fit enough anthrax to kill every living thing in Iraq inside a space no larger than a 2 car garage.

BTW, Iraq is about the same size as California.

21 posted on 01/29/2004 8:16:55 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
Yes, I know, and am perplexed as to:
- how the mainstream press can say or imply "there definitely aren't any WMDs in Iraq NOW,"
- how David Kay can say "we probably won't find them, so they PROBABLY don't exist"
- how anyone with a brain can say "because we couldn't find them, they MUST NOT exist."

Here's hoping for there being a Bush rope-a-dope strategy, as noted by another poster.
22 posted on 01/29/2004 10:25:55 AM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
"Rope a Dope" should be especially potent against the media and more-liberal Democrats.
23 posted on 01/29/2004 10:34:23 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: litany_of_lies
Thanks for being out there, litany.

Becareful trying to baptize some of your outspoken dumb relatives and acquaintances with the benefits of a 2nd Bush term.

24 posted on 01/29/2004 1:41:26 PM PST by DCPatriot
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To: litany_of_lies
What I'd be concerned with would be the possibility of the US being set up to find a cache of BOOBY-TRAPPED WMD.

The backlash in terms of dead and injured could be hard for President Bush.

Hurry up, November!!!

25 posted on 01/29/2004 1:45:37 PM PST by DCPatriot
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Wow! You were reading my mind ..?? LOL!!
26 posted on 01/29/2004 5:28:34 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the GREATEST NATION on the face of the earth")
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To: over3Owithabrain
I believe that Kay said he didn't think there were WMDs "at the start of the war", perhaps leaving the door open for them to have been smuggled out while we were battling the cheese-eating.......in the UN.
27 posted on 01/29/2004 6:01:39 PM PST by expatpat
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To: fishtank
"Maybe Kay has had the same visits that were made to Scott Ritter"

EXACTLY!
28 posted on 01/29/2004 6:03:33 PM PST by Hotdog
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To: litany_of_lies
I'd still like to find out whatever came of the MSNBC report by Bob Arnot, their chief medical correspondent, regarding the poisoning of the Euphrates River. This was reported once and then spiked.

Sky News also picked up the story.

All I remember hearing was that they found a bunch of empty drums by the side of the river.

-PJ

29 posted on 01/29/2004 6:07:04 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
People are just cherry-picking his lengthy remarks.

I question why he's saying anything to anyone, especially the news media. Didn't they make him sign a secrecy agrement before they let him head up the WMD search?

30 posted on 01/29/2004 6:09:31 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: litany_of_lies
What I don't understand is why Dubya and Co. haven't highlighted the work of
Kenneth A. Pollack more.
As a weapons policy analyst in the Clinton Administration, Pollack developed the scenario that Saddam was developing "just in time" systems for making chem/bio WMDs. This was
to be done by a rapid reconfiguration of pharmaceutical plants that Saddam got
permission to build after Gulf War I.

Thus Saddam wouldn't be caught red-handed by inspectors with stockpiles of
WMDs...and as soon as the world looked away and/or Saddam/Uday/Quasay decided to lash out...
the plants could turn out the dangerous/unstable Chem/Bio WMDs on a "just in time"
manner.
Pollack made a number of TV appearances before Op. Iraqi Freedom, but has basically
disappeared from view since then.
His book on the case for going ahead with overthrowing Saddam is here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375509283/qid=1075428434/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-6828299-7416066?v=glance&s=books
31 posted on 01/29/2004 6:14:26 PM PST by VOA
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To: litany_of_lies
Whoa!
I actually read a couple of the reviews of Kenneth Pollack's book (linked
in my post #31)...and supply below a link to Pollack'a apparent reversal of course
in the January 2004 Atlantic Monthly.
I can't pass judgement as I've not yet read this article...but wonder if we're
gonna' see that Pollack really was at home in the Clinton Administration (and may hope to be in
the next Clinton Administration)

Link to the Atlantic Monthly article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/pollack.htm
32 posted on 01/29/2004 6:21:20 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dilbert56
I don't think Bush is playing the "Rope-a-Dope" for a couple of reasons.

1. If it was discovered that Bush was hiding the weapons for an October surprise, the backlash would be horrific. He would lose the election.

2. The Iraqis are too stupid to build effective WMD's without help and after the first gulf war, help was in short supply. Almost everything that I have seen from the hard core muslims indicates that they are incapable of solving even elementary technical problems.

3. Why would Iraq build WMD's? They aren't really effective in war. Maybe Saddam thought the threat was all he needed. Bluff and bravado seemed to be his strongest points.
33 posted on 01/29/2004 6:33:41 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: VOA
Looks like Pollack did a Scott Ritter too--he writes a 528-page book and repudicates it here (apparenlty referring to a mea culpa article he wrote in Atlantic Monthly within the past month or so):

The Real State of the Union

Although it's a Clark campaign site, it appears that what it says about Pollack is accurate. How about this gem:

In closing he (Pollack) urged that "we should recognize that the Administration's rush to war was reckless even on the basis of what we thought we knew in March of 2003. It appears even more reckless in light of what we know today.

If I were so wrong to the tune of 528 pages, I would at least have the self-preservation instinct not to tell the world I was COMPLETELY stupid. There NOTHING in those 528 pages that supports going to war? What a maroon.

34 posted on 01/29/2004 7:51:21 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Political Junkie Too
Yeah, inquiring minds certainly want to know about that Euphrates story. Didn't find anything when I typed in "Euphrates" at MSNBC, unless the item in question was part of a longer story. Maybe it was only mentioned on the air.
35 posted on 01/29/2004 8:04:25 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Yes, you are right. Bush has shown himself to be an excellent "poker"player and he is bidding his time as the democRats beat the no WMD drumbeat and become seen as 1 issue folks,then ....Voila!
we find the WMD's
my 2 cents, for what it's worth
36 posted on 01/29/2004 8:14:40 PM PST by flowergirl (Trust in the Lord with all your heart)
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To: LeGrande
I think the "rope a dope" isn't based on timing to the election. He just "knows" they're there, and whether it's October 2004 or February 2006, he doesn't care. My 2 cents.

We're still left with why the Japanese appear to be so sure. My theory is they know something about shipments from North Korea and/or China than we do. Why that would be the case I don't know, and it would point to another oversight by the CIA.

Remember that ship that was bound for Yemen from NK that had "stuff" on it (it was weapons-related, but don't remember what it was) ultimately meant for Iraq? Maybe there were other shipments we don't know about but the Japanese do. It just seems very odd for Japan, of all countries, to be so outspoken on this. It's not consistent with THEIR culture to go out on a limb.
37 posted on 01/29/2004 8:31:17 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
THis whole thing doesn't make sense, is the UN blackmailing Bush?
38 posted on 01/29/2004 8:35:27 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Blackmailing? If so, over what? Given what the Iraqi press has learned of oil-related bribes to the French, Germans, and Russians, the better question might be what are we or can we blackmail those three countries about? If fact, such matters may go a long way in explaining why the old Iraq debt reduction efforts have gone so "inexplicably" well.
39 posted on 01/29/2004 8:44:20 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: All
Wash-times has picked up the story:

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040129-013247-8112r.htm
40 posted on 01/29/2004 8:55:14 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
What a maroon.

I think Bugs Bunny said it best:
"What an ULTRA-maroon!"

Over the past year, I've pointed folks in this forum to Pollack's scenario of Saddam, Inc.
putting his energies into this very smart "just in time" or "capability-based"
program for chem/bio WMDs.
And in most (if not all) of my posts, I said something to the effect that it pained
me to say the a Clinton Admin. official was making a really good case.

Well, I guess that in a way I should be thankful.
Now I just about feel relieved of any sense of a need to be fair to anyone associated
with the Clinton Administration.

Every one of them, in the fullness of time, reveals themselves to be weasels
who should be ignored.

And many of them should feel lucky to get such treatment.
In a rational world, they'd be found guilty of treason, put against a wall and...

In the world of RealPolitik, Dubya, Condi, et al should be talking NON-STOP about
the "take it to the bank" two-faced weasel factor of the administration...
that supplied them with a lot of intelligence info. that counseled "at the first
decent provocation...go get Saddam".
41 posted on 01/29/2004 10:30:39 PM PST by VOA
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To: litany_of_lies
If you do a Google search on the words Euphrates and MSNBC, you will find many news sources that picked up the MSNBC story on April 4-5, 2003. But then the story disappears completely.

-PJ

42 posted on 01/29/2004 11:44:22 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: cwboelter
Cheney is still claiming (as of a week ago) that the two large vans discovered in Iraq are biolabs when Kay has already stated they're not.

I missed Kay's statement on this. Did he say the vans were not biolabs or did he say that they might not be biolabs? Thanks.

43 posted on 01/30/2004 10:06:54 AM PST by alnick (A vote for anyone but George W. Bush for president in 2004 is a vote to strengthen Al Qaeda.)
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To: bushfamfan
unlikely Iraq had stockpiles of WMD

Not meaning to be flip...well maybe a little...it all depends on what your definition of "stockpile" is. :^)

A stockpile is a reserve supply or an accumulation of something. Remember that it doesn't take much of these nasty things to inflict a lot of misery.

44 posted on 01/30/2004 10:15:21 AM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: alnick
Yeah...Kay said that in his opinion, they were not biolabs. But as Senator Roberts mentioned during the testimony, the CIA has a different perspective...which is why Cheney still mentioned it. I think Kay had it right when he said we're going to have a lot of "unresolved ambiguity." Just because something doesn't exist, now, doesn't mean it didn't exist, earlier...or was moved. And while Kay admits it is unlikely any large stockpiles existed with the evidence he found, both Warner and Roberts got Kay to admit that it is still an open possibility.
45 posted on 01/30/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: cwboelter
Thank you.
46 posted on 01/30/2004 12:08:47 PM PST by alnick (A vote for anyone but George W. Bush for president in 2004 is a vote to strengthen Al Qaeda.)
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