The Character Issue Will Hurt Kerry - BADLY

Self | 1-30-04 | Jonathan M. Stein

[jmstein7]

The war record is not the oft misquoted "Kerrey" "Kerry" mix-up; the crimes belong to John Kerry.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Sources for the Kerry war record? It had better be 100% true, not just someone's interpretation of his actions, before anyone starts repeating charges like that. They sound too much like the Left accusing Bush of going AWOL from the National Guard.

[jmstein7]

I've verified, but if people reading this could help cross-check (that's why I test-posted here first), that would be great.

[VaBthang4]

Thank you.

[Coop]

Perhaps you could read Mr. Kerry's book and draw your own conclusions:

[VaBthang4]

We can cross check but it wouldnt hurt to also look at your sources in order to prevent redundancy.

[VaBthang4]

ping

[McGruff]

I feel this Botox issue will hurt him more than he knows. Here's why.

1: There are audio records of him denying using it.

2: Independent doctors say it sure looks like he's using it.

3: So, he has already lied to the american people about something and he's not even the candidate yet.

4: RNC ad should point out "If he lied about Botox, do you want him in the Oval Office."

[Poohbah]

My post on The Many Faces of John Kerry is germane here...

Under military law, what was the duty of an officer -- Kerry, for example -- if he possessed such information?

It is the affirmative duty, under both the UCMJ and under the basic strictures of human decency, of any service member--commissioned, warrant, or noncommissioned officer AND non-rate enlisted person alike--to report any such action to higher authority if he witnesses any such action, or has reasonable cause to believe that such an action was committed.

If Kerry had real reason to believe this, then he is guilty of several serious felonies under the UCMJ, and can conceivably be recalled to active duty to stand court-martial.

"Following his investigation of the My Lai massacre for the Army, Lieutenant General William R. Peers and his investigative team made highly unusual and largely unprecedented recommendations. The Peers Commission proposed that charges also be preferred against a number of American staff officers, including the division chief of staff, the brigade operations officer, the task force operations and intelligence officers, and the division chaplain...

"One of the conclusions Peers drew following his My Lai investigation was that there was widespread failure to report suspected war crimes and civilian casualties, despite numerous directives and standing operating procedures (SOPs) requiring such reports. Even more damning was the conclusion that individuals within the task force headquarters took affirmative steps to conceal the massacre, including falsifying logs by changing the locations where civilians were reportedly killed. A staff officer involved in concealing a war crime may be prosecuted as an accessory after the fact in violation of Article 78, for misprison of a serious offense in violation of Article 134, or for dereliction of duty in violation of Article 92."

From "Staff Officer Responsibility for War Crimes,", LTC Michael J. Davidson, USA, published in the Mar/April 2001 issue of Military Review, the professional journal of the US Army Command & General Staff College. The full article is available at this link to the Military Review Website.

Do we really want to elect a President who could be readily indicted and convicted of war crimes by the very same International Criminal Court he would order the State Department to operate under?

[Cicero]

Are you referring to the story that Kerry or Kerrey executed a bunch of Vietnamese women and children in a hut during a reconnaisance mission? I recall the story but I confess to the usual confusion as to which Kerr(e)y was responsible.

It would be helpful if someone could resurrect and post the original stories, which appeared here a year or two ago, I think.

[hunter112]

Kerry's war record may be in doubt, or debateable, but his actions as a US senator to screw the POW/MIA families is well documented. I still see black POW/MIA flags flying even here in WA (no, not anywhere near Seattle, of course), and when Kerry's sucking up to the Viet Cong gets played in the press, people will soften on him.

The more I think about it, the more I'd rather run against Kerry's documented record, than the chance that Howard the Coward will go ballistic in a debate with GWB. Let the Rat voters drink the Kool-Aid of a Kerry candidacy, thinking that a vote for him in a primary erases the guilt they feel towards the way they treated Vietnam veterans and their families thirty years ago. It'll blow up in their faces.

[VaBthang4]

If I am not mistaken you are talking about two different Kerry's.

[jmstein7]

BUMP!

[Plutarch]

In Kerry's personal life, other rich veins of opposition research will be mined. He abandoned his wife and children (we never see them, do we?), and married a relatively geriatric heiress, who made him sign a pre-nup.

If his own wife can't trust him without a legal restriction, why should we?

[Mo1]

Sources for the Kerry war record?

The Boston Globe did a series of articles on John Kerry, including his service before, during and after the Vietnam War

I won't say anything about his service during the war, though there are many question that are unanswered because Kerry himself will not release the documents of his service

But I will say he was and continues to be a complete disgrace to this country after the war.

[jmstein7]

For starters, look here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

I will have to go re-mine my Lexis-Nexis archives to find the names of the articles/reports/records I looked at to cross-verify.

[VaBthang4]

Agreed.
He is a weasil.

[Mo1]

Are you referring to the story that Kerry or Kerrey executed a bunch of Vietnamese women and children in a hut during a reconnaisance mission? I recall the story but I confess to the usual confusion as to which Kerr(e)y was responsible.

The story you mention is related to Bob Kerrey

This thread is about John F. Kerry

[jmstein7]

Correct.

[smith288]

His 3 wounds were minor and Kerry classified them himself as "Walking injuried". The most he was out was 2 days.

Bad things happened from and to both sides during the Vietnam war. Atrocious things. But for Kerry to claim his service as heroic is barf material especially after reading his own self proclaimed atrocities he performed.