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To: waterstraat
federal spending is not going down, it is going up

You're right, but that's not the point.  So spending went up from 6 trillion to 7 trillion;

 But the economy grew more:

If it goes to 100 trillion on the day that my daily earnings are 200 trillion, I promise to pay for the entire federal budget out of my own pocket.

Ain't I a swell guy?

27 posted on 02/01/2004 8:30:33 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
federal spending went up from 6 trillion to 7 trillion. If it goes to 100 trillion on the day that my daily earnings are 200 trillion, I promise to pay for the entire federal budget out of my own pocket.

You are going to have to pay that extra 1 trillion dollars in taxes, whether or not your daily earnings are 200 trillion or not. YOu will have to pay that 1 trillion dollars because those without jobs cant pay it.

You are advised to make as much as you can, because you will be paying a larger and larger share of the taxes needed to support large numbers of those whos jobs moved to asia, and for the increasing burden that 50,000 more immigrants coming into this country each week demand of our schools, highways, hospitals, social services, and welfare.

Frankly, I am glad, but surpised that you so eagerly look forward to paying higher and higher taxes, and for so willingly taking on a larger budern/share of the tax load.

41 posted on 02/01/2004 9:13:48 AM PST by waterstraat
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To: expat_panama; waterstraat; nwrep; FITZ
I can't keep letting your "charts" go by unquestioned. You need to put a lot more care into your charts. They are sometimes flat-out wrong, and othertimes still quite misleading and unverifiable as to your sources.

In your chart on post #4, you plot the numbers for the total labor force, but you label it as Total Civilian Employment (Bls '000) - in billions no less when it is ovbiously millions.

The labor force is all people available to work, but not all are employed. Your "Total Civilian Employment" is actually a chart of all people working, plus the unemployed who are looking for work. Do you spend any time at all proof checking your charts and data?

From http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls => Civilian Labor Force (Seasonally Adjusted) - LNS11000000

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id:           LNS11000000
Seasonal Adjusted
Series title:        (Seas) Civilian Labor Force Level
Labor force status:  Civilian labor force
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1993 128400 128458 128598 128584 129264 129411 129397 129619 129268 129573 129711 129941  
1994 130596 130669 130400 130621 130779 130561 130652 131275 131421 131744 131891 131951  
1995 132038 132115 132108 132590 131851 131949 132343 132336 132611 132716 132614 132511  
1996 132616 132952 133180 133409 133667 133697 134284 134054 134515 134921 135007 135113  
1997 135456 135400 135891 136016 136119 136211 136477 136618 136675 136633 136961 137155  
1998 137095 137112 137236 137150 137372 137455 137588 137570 138286 138279 138381 138634  
1999 139003 138967 138730 138959 139107 139329 139439 139430 139622 139771 140025 140177  
2000 142258 142452 142398 142747 142369 142571 142265 142562 142539 142663 142959 143273  
2001 143787 143652 143873 143549 143290 143323 143674 143372 144020 144171 144254 144369  
2002 143842 144546 144384 144675 144902 144738 144879 145146 145606 145442 145109 145157  
2003 145875 145898 145818 146377 146462 146917 146652 146622 146610 146892 147187 146878  

From http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls => Civilian Employment (Seasonally Adjusted) - LNS12000000

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id:           LNS12000000
Seasonal Adjusted
Series title:        (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status:  Employed
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1993 119075 119275 119542 119474 120115 120290 120467 120856 120554 120823 121169 121464  
1994 121966 122086 121930 122290 122864 122634 122706 123342 123687 124112 124516 124721  
1995 124663 124928 124955 124945 124421 124522 124816 124852 125133 125388 125188 125088  
1996 125125 125639 125862 125994 126244 126602 126947 127172 127536 127890 127771 127860  
1997 128298 128298 128891 129143 129464 129412 129822 130010 130019 130179 130653 130679  
1998 130726 130807 130814 131209 131325 131244 131329 131390 131986 131999 132280 132602  
1999 133027 132856 132947 132955 133311 133378 133414 133591 133707 133993 134309 134523  
2000 136561 136599 136668 137264 136611 136923 136516 136701 136908 137124 137316 137632  
2001 137790 137581 137738 137275 137063 136842 137091 136314 136869 136447 136234 136078  
2002 135715 136362 136106 136096 136505 136353 136478 136811 137337 137079 136545 136459  
2003 137447 137318 137300 137578 137505 137673 137604 137693 137644 138095 138533 138479  

In your charts on post #27, where at http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov is the deficit data you've plotted?

And your chart shows a smaller deficit in 2004 than in 2003. Is that because fiscal 2004 has just begun, or did you mislabel/misplot a data point? Where did the defict data come from?

And your 2nd chart in post#27 (alleging the economy grew more) has a title block with a triplicate replication for the data source website www.publicdebt.treas.gov again, but where did you get the GDP numbers and against which GDP's did you compute the percentages?

You claim the economy grew more. Grew more than what? Your chart (assuming it is correct - but can't be verified - and likely isn't correct judging by your past charts) is Debt as a pct of GDP exceeding the Deficit as a pct of GDP for all years except '90-'92.

How does that demonstrate "the economy grew more", and what GDP data did you use?

96 posted on 02/01/2004 12:12:36 PM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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