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To: Triple Word Score; RussianConservative; SJackson
The Brits are the biggest hypocrites in the world. in the 1800s they fought the Crimean war against the Russians and WITH the Slamic Turks to prevent Russia, a Christian country, from conquering Istanbul and restoring it to Christendom. If the English hadn't propped up the Turks the GReeks would have been free a lot earlier, the Russians would have restored Constantinople as a center of christendom and communism may never have occureed (going out on the limb on that one).

Next, the British had the mandate of Israel and didn't really do much to help the formation of the Jewish state. Instead the Jews had to launch an armed rebellion to kick them out.

The Brits were also the ones who created Iraq out of 3 distinct provinces of the Ottoman Empire, laying the seeds of future troubles and they were also the ones who created the firstIslmaic state-- Pak'istan (which lead to the creation of the theocratic states of Iran and Taliban Afgh)
9 posted on 02/03/2004 5:46:23 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Cronos
A bit of an oversimplification ya think?
Yes, all your facts are accurate, but you left out the critical ingredient: all nations historically, specially since the 16th century, have been driven by trade and economics, and the shifting alliances in retrospect make no sense when viewed by the prism of hindsight.

This is the sort of statement I would expect from a person truly ignorant of the dynamics of history and nations.
It is, essentially, the mindless "progressive's" mantra repeated for contemporary political advantage.
You know better than that.

12 posted on 02/03/2004 5:54:58 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Cronos
Next, the British had the mandate of Israel and didn't really do much to help the formation of the Jewish state. Instead the Jews had to launch an armed rebellion to kick them out.

Between the formation of the British mandate right after WWI, and the creation of Israel, OIL became a major game piece in the game of world politics, and yes, the British did everything possible to prevent the Jewish State since they viewed the Arabs, with whom they had "agreements", as much more profitable for Great Britain.
They clearly sold out the Jews in spite of Lord Balfour's clear and "official" intent of splitting "Palestine" equally between Arab and Jew.

A glance at any map can confirm the depth of perfidy of the British actions.

14 posted on 02/03/2004 6:01:40 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Cronos
All you say is true, but at least they're OUR hypocrites...

(The Russians weren't exactly good guys, either!)
15 posted on 02/03/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: Cronos
First, don't forget, French just as guilty and Austrians, whom Russian just save, where biggest fair weather friend by not assisting. French also kissed up to Turks. Short sight, since both England and France bleed against Turks in 1914. Also, Bulgars, Romanians, Serbs, Croats, Makedonians, all would be free much sooner if not for Crimeian War.

Don't forget, in 1948, most Arab officers British and French.

47 posted on 02/03/2004 8:56:57 AM PST by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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