Fact: KERRY is the deserter!

Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003. ^ | 2-3-04 | Jonathan M. Stein

[Ben Hecks]

I have to agree with others that think a "deserter" tag is not appropriate for Kerry. The important element, in my opinion, is that he made false accusations to a congressional committee about alleged atrocities committed by soldiers in Vietnam.

I contend that he was aware that these accusations were false at the time he made them. Lying to Congress is not a good thing. At that time, Kerry was associated with VVAW which had several leaders who have since been totally discredited (they either did not serve in Vietnam or did not serve in the military at all). He disgraced the uniform of the United States Navy by wearing wrinkled fatigues with ribbons (violation of Navy regulations) and was photographed on a number of occasions in a state of disarray that reflected poorly on his judgement and maturity.

It's ironic that Kerry is now a member of a body that insists that those testifying before it be fully truthful under penalty of law. Sorry for the rant.

[mabelkitty]

When did he know about the "thrice" out and when did he ask for it?

[ohioman]

You are right, Kerry is not a deserter. However, it is after the war when his character comes into question. Specifically, it is after the war when he became a TRAITOR.

[Your Nightmare]

I read that was McCain, not Kerry.

[mabelkitty]

He was there four months, got three Purple Hearts, two Stars, then got out.

Anybody hear about 21 Vietnamese shot at close range and its connection to Kerry? May be right before he was removed/transferred.

[Montfort]

"Although Kerry’s wounds had been nothing more than band-aid “boo boos”, and he was perfectly fit to serve, Kerry explicitly declined to continue serving his country"

So they give Purple Hearts for "band-aid boo boos"? What exactly were his three injuries that qualified him to request a transfer out of combat?

He is not a deserter if he got permission. Just as Bush did not go AWOL if he got permission for his arrangement.

Let's not stoop to the Democrats' level.

[AndyTheBear]

In March of 1969, despite the fact that he was not disabled in any way, John Kerry appealed to Commodore Charles F. Horne for an early transfer out of combat. His request was granted on March 17, 1968.

Did Kerry have access to time travel?

[Ann Archy]

3 wounds...two days. thanks for the clarifcation. I hope he releases his record so we could see what those were.

[Atlas Sneezed]

I thought this was going to be about Kerry dumping his first wife when she was in the throes of clinical depression.

[dwd1]

I understand but I would attribute that to dumb luck.... I do not put him in the same category as Stockdale, McCain, Cleland, or others but you can not say he was not in harm's way.... And I would think the real discussion might be something like, "Did he suffer from combat fatigue or PTSD?" One then has to concede that he was in combat... I think if Duke Cunningham and many others and I can't criticize them if they endured a baptism of fire... Even if it was a small fire...

[Ben Hecks]

"Did Kerry have access to time travel?"

I saw that too but assumed Wesley Clark was handling his schedule ; )

[mabelkitty]

Your are right.
It's much easier to call him an East Coast Liberal who called Daddy when the going got tough.

[Your Nightmare]

It was McCain. For the record (from the Senate transcripts):

Mr. McCAIN. Madam President, I quote from it, Madam President. It states:

The highest-ranking U.S. officer to visit Hanoi since the Vietnam War said this week he will report that its `cooperation across all fronts has been excellent' in the effort to account for missing Americans.

`I don't think they're holding anything back,' Adm. Larson, commander of U.S. military forces in the Pacific, said in Pleiku Tuesday.

Joint Task Force personnel have, often at great risk to their own welfare, crawled through some of the worst and most remote terrain in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, searching for any clue as to the fate of our missing. Their efforts have been dismissed as a charade by many POW/MIA activists who--unlike my friend, Senator Smith, whose opposition is honorable--cloak their opposition in character assassination. In truth, JTF personnel are responsible for locating more information, for resolving more of the mystery surrounding this question than all the professional malcontents , conspiracy mongers , con artists, and dime store rambos who attend this issue have ever or will ever contribute collectively. They are truly unsung heroes.

Everyone involved in our efforts in Vietnam will testify to the greatly increased cooperation from Vietnam. It is their word, not mine, nor Senator Kerry's that Senators should listen to as they consider our amendment. Everyone of these fine individuals believes that the time has come to lift the trade embargo against Vietnam. They recognize that the accounting process has not and should not end, and that there is more cooperation we will require from Vietnam before our efforts can conclude. But they feel, as do I, that lifting the embargo will facilitate and accelerate that cooperation.


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[Enterprise]

I agree with you both.

[Denver Ditdat]

It is as much as "desertion" as what he is accusing Bush of.

Correct. Neither is desertion, and neither should be labeled as such. We don't need to roll in the gutter with the Dems to defeat them. The truth will do just fine.

[Howlin]

I knew you did. Gosh, I'm already tired of talking about this stuff and it's not even summer!

[DCPatriot]

This is simply dishonest, or at the very least, stooping to their gutteral level.

If you were in a combat zone or in a couple of armed conflicts such as he was, you'd probably take advantage of any loophole offered.

If he didn't I say that he should qualify for the Darwin Awards had he subsequently been KIA.

GO DUBYA!

[Enterprise]

There are earlier threads about Kerry's support of Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua and later in his career, possibly receiving money from the Communist Chinese. They are very powerful and enlightening insights into Kerry's character. Remember that Timothy McVeigh also served in a time of war, yet to me, he also turned traitor. He may have had legitimate grievances about the Government, but killing innocent people does not justify those grievances. Similarly, Kerry may have had legitimate complaints about the war, but ultimately supporting communists amounts to treason.

[Enterprise]

LOL! And the election is MONTHS away!

[sport]

Allow me to give you another bump.

At least President Bush did not join the communists like someone else did [but don't tell that to the Bush haters on this forum].

Some are concerned about the democrats and media slander and lies concerning President Bush.

But, in reality, the democrats and mrdia do not have open their mouths. There are enough Bush haters on this forum to carry their water for them.

Keep up the good work jmstein7