Losing America's Livelihood

The New American ^ | 1/26/04 | William Jasper

[Cacique]

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[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

"(8) Since 1999 our Government has provided more than $1,800,000,000 in financing and insurance for these foreign countries through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, and our Government’s current exposure relative to these countries through our Export-Import Bank totals some $14,800,000,000, bringing the total subsidy of these countries by the United States to over $16,500,000,000.
(9) Many of these countries are not market-oriented, and hence their participation in United States-supported international finance regimes amounts to a direct subsidy by American taxpayers in the shrimping sector of their international competitors.

That’s $16.5 billion. With help like that, is it any wonder that these countries are able to produce the glut of shrimp that is destroying our shrimping industry?"

Replace the word "shrimping" with any of the following:
Software Engineering, Information Technology, hardware engineering, accounting, paralegal, finance, bookkeeping, systems analysis, call centers, and any field that requires working at a desk with a phone or a computer.

[Paul Ross]

Nonsense

That is the factual history of the GOP, whose pioneering national policies blazed the U.S. into unrivalled industrial and technological primacy, by setting and enforcing as "the ruling and uncompromising principle [is] the protection and development of American labor and industry."

[Protagoras]

The idea that protectionism launched the US into prosperity is a quaint attempt to link a favorite policy of some to results which happened IN SPITE OF bad policies.

This country has had just enough freedom to overcome bad policies of all sorts and other countries economies, on a relative basis.

It has survived creeping socialism and a plethora of other problems to be one of the best (relatively) countries in the world. It's frightening to think how far we could have gone with true freedom.

[Paul Ross]

You are in need of a remedial economics course and real history.

It is apparent you are far more in need of that than the others on this thread are. You have assumed a misleading moniker as your screen name, and should really instead be called Sinon. Your failures to meaningfully and substantively respond to the previously made historical challenge speaks volumes..and they remain not only unrefuted, but untouched by your scornful cheap retorts:

"We need to understand the implications of both. We need to understand history as well. We need to understand....
- How England's free trade policies resulted in the devastation of their manufacturing ability at the beginning of the 20th century.
- How America's and Germany's protectionist policies built our industries up.
- How collapse of world trade resulted in the great depression.
- The difference between comparative advantage and the one way transfer of production capability.
- The danger to freedom of transfering your manufacturing capacity to your known enemy (China).
- The incentives that drive corporate managers and individual firms in a free society and the role that government should play when those incentives are at odds with the best interest of the country as a whole.
- The role that government's play in establishing and maintaining competitive advantage at the national level."

I am more and more convinced that CATO needs to be taken apart root and branch, and its apostles identified as the duplicitous lie-merchants...and national enemies of America...that they are. You appear to be one of 'them'.

[Protagoras]

LOL, an attack on my sceenname and on an inconvenient think tank really cannot help you to see the three day old fish you are trying to sell. It's dead and it smells like it.

And that you advocate stifling the free speech voice of those you disagree with is quite telling about your true philosophy.

You are a hilarious break in my day, thanks for the laughs! :^}

[texastoo]

Didn't Bill Clinton make some statement about the fact that America would not be a super power in about 5 to 10 years? I, vaguely, remember him making that statement. Evidently, this is what he has been talking about. The "elite" of this country has been very busy destroying America.

[texastoo]

Didn't Bill Clinton make some statement about the fact that America would not be a super power in about 5 to 10 years? I, vaguely, remember him making that statement. Evidently, this is what he has been talking about. The "elite" of this country has been very busy destroying America.

[Paul Ross]

And that you advocate stifling the free speech voice of those you disagree with is quite telling about your true philosophy.

Since I never advocated that (censorship), just public disclosure and exposure of your ulterior motives, and the inimical anti-American agenda avowed...which I am confident would effectually destroy CATO, the fact that you resort to that (censorship) charge is, as you say, "quite telling about your true philosophy."

Seems like your 'inconvenient think tank' is in fact your home base. Hence, this is very 'inconvenient' for you.

[Protagoras]

I am more and more convinced that CATO needs to be taken apart root and branch,

This is what you said and I never claimed anything else, your straw-man lie notwithstanding. Censorship was never mentioned or intimated by me. I said stifling, which is exactly what you advocate.

You become more amusing by the moment. LOL

[GOP_1900AD]

With the death of McKinley, the USA lost something profound. In a sense, we've never quite gotten it back.

[GOP_1900AD]

The doctinaire scions of the globalist camp, try to portray themselves as "conservatives" but they are fundamentally anti conservative. They are, behaviorally, Left wing anarchists. They are the destroyers of the nation state, and the enslavers of free men. They must be stopped, no matter what it takes.

[Paul Ross]

This is what you said and I never claimed anything else

Au contraire, contextually it is clear that my statement "Taken apart root and branch" means by exposure. No more of CATO's agents and ilk being allowed to crawl back under the rock to escape the light of day without such exposure, 'your straw-man lie notwithstanding'.

'Stifling' of speech is typically and generally understood to mean censorship. Exposure may in fact, and indirectly, 'stifle' you...if you don't have the courage of your convictions...but it is unimportant and irrelevant to the position I advocate. But if you were in fact 'stifled', it would be by your own timidity.

Personally, in fact, I would rather you spoke more...and so that you can be more thoroughly debunked. So that your cause can be discredited and loses any public influence, because it doesn't deserve it any more.

[Protagoras]

Nice try, but you lied. Now you send for reinforcements,,,lol Good stuff, indeed.

[GOP_1900AD]

My hero is William McKinley.

[Protagoras]

Hey Strawman, looks like you and yours have a new hero!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072726/posts

[Protagoras]

My hero is Jesus Christ.

[Paul Ross]

My Lord and Saviour is Jesus Christ, of Nazareth.

[Paul Ross]

Nice try, but you lied. Now you send for reinforcements

Actually, it is clear that it is YOU who lied, and I merely pinged some folks to witness your denouement.

[Protagoras]

My Lord and Saviour is Jesus Christ, of Nazareth.

Ditto, thanks for proclaiming your faith unabashedly in this public forum.