Losing America's Livelihood

The New American ^ | 1/26/04 | William Jasper

[Protagoras]

enable the Liberals for years to come, IMO

The party who best enables liberals is the Republican Party.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Either way, it's the death of the Republic.

You talk like a republic still exists in this country.

[Consort]

The party who best enables liberals is the Republican Party.

Nope, it's the Perpetually Disgruntled and Eternally Disenchanted on the right who put ideology ahead of country and party, as you know.

[Jim Cane]

You talk like a republic still exists in this country.

After a flashbulb goes off (The American Revolution) you can still see the glow on your retinas, but it eventually fades.

[spacewarp]

No. No. And No. I didn't make your point. I am advocating and driving for a strong new party. We are new. The party has not even been in existance for a year. You can't expect the new guy on the block to be ramped up in a short period of time. I'm going to vote the party that more closely represents my party's platform. That's probably the Constitution Party. Unless their candidate is a loon or some form of crazy. Then, I'll look at LP. If they're the same, and haven't noticed that though people interested in third party voting is up, their membership is either stagnant or down, and decide to run the same candidates, then I MAY vote Bush. But, he's #3 on my chart and that's with a LOT of ifs. Kerry would follow a write in for Mickey Mouse. Edwards would follow a write in for Satan. The Democrats would not be able to pry a vote from me without fraud.

There is such a thing as vision. I believe I've got it. I believe I see what a new way and a more beneficial way for our country is. That does not make me "superior in every way". And for you to smear me like that is repugnant. It is not my goal to fragment the conservative base. And if you would BOTHER to read what has been posted time and time again, you'll see that the Patriot Party is going after and recruiting those conservatives who won't vote Republican first. People like the "Yellow-dog" democrats who would rather vote a yellow dog in than a Republican, but they don't support things like abortion on demand and homosexual normalicy (while heterosexuality is declared deviant.)

I'm not trying to destroy your precious GOP. I'm trying to save our country. Country comes first. Party is last in consideration behind God and Family. And the Democrats and the Republicans seem to forget that. They have turned every campaign into negative territory. The idea for them is to depress the vote. Our party platform is to encourage everyone to vote.

It's not my goal to spread liberalism, and if you listen (which requires some effort since you've closed your mind) then you might understand that.

Paul

[Willie Green]

Nope, it's the Perpetually Disgruntled and Eternally Disenchanted on the right who put ideology ahead of country and party, as you know.

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue;
moderation in principle is always a vice."

-- Thomas Paine - "Rights of Men" (1791)

[Protagoras]

Nope, it's the leftist Republicans who run the party and who value power more than their country. As you know.

[spacewarp]

I was a big Bush supporter. I even tried to teach my oldest son to say "God Bless George Bush" which would have sent screams of terror down the backs of my liberal mother-in-law and sister-in-law.

I looked at what was happening with education, medicare and many other spending programs. I looked on with dismay as time and time again, Bush went further and further to the left. All the while, I was hearing "It's a strategy" from you Bushbots. Eventually you stop giving up ground and start taking some. And all Bush seems to want to do is push an agenda of more and more government, and the Republicans are blindly following. Eventually, I had no choice. I stayed put with my beliefs. And yes, despite your request for a barf alert, my party DID leave me behind.

Does this mean I will root for Kerry? No. I will cheer Bush when he wins. I will cheer each Republican victory this year. The reason? That's one less spot the Democrats have a stranglehold. But, I will STILL work within the framework to try to get a good party going that will be conservative and will bring about positive change. If they fall trap to the power seduction, I will start again.

Does this make me part of the "Perpetually Disgruntled and Eternally Disenchanted"? If so, then sign me up, because I'm disgruntled at the way our President has built our government bigger every step of the way. I'm disenchatned by the way that Bush has abandoned conservative principles to let the illegal immigrants in.

And I don't put ideology ahead of country and party. I put country ahead of ideology and party. I put my family and my God above party and ideology. And my party reflects my ideology, so I put them on par.

Paul

[Willie Green]

No , you are interested in expressing Pat's long ago discarded views.

You're simply in denial that individuals are capable of expressing their own opinions.

"Whatever crushes individuality is despotism."

-- John Stuart Mill - "On Liberty" (1859)

[Consort]

No. No. And No.

Is that a no?

There is such a thing as vision.

And there are corrective lenses.

I'm trying to save our country.

We all are.

Country comes first.

Are you sure that your ideology doesn't come first?

Our party platform is to encourage everyone to vote.

A noble goal, but it can backfire if they don't vote the way you want them to.

...you've closed your mind...

One has to have to have a mind in order to close it.

[Protagoras]

You're simply in denial that individuals are capable of expressing their own opinions.

No, I'm denying that you have any.

Let's do it this way, one at a time, then we can nail down those opinions.

1) Do you support any minimum wage laws?

[Consort]

Does this mean I will root for Kerry? No. I will cheer Bush when he wins. I will cheer each Republican victory this year. The reason? That's one less spot the Democrats have a stranglehold.

See, that wasn't so hard after all.

[Consort]

It's the voters, as we all know.

[spacewarp]

You seem to think the rose colored lenses the GOP is handing out are corrective.

If you continue down the path you're currently going on, no you aren't trying to save our country.

I'm VERY sure ideology doesn't come first. That's something you can't seem to grasp. There are real problems here. And ignoring them doesn't make them go away. And I'm working towards a goal that will benefit the country. You're working towards a goal that will benefit your party.

A noble goal indeed to encourage people to vote. You are right. It can backfire. Look at Russia. They were a few votes last election of volutnarily turning themselves back over to the Communist Party.

And I agree with your last comment. So, now you're admitting that your inane rambling and attempts at insults is coming from someone without a mind? Wow. What a confession.

Paul

[spacewarp]

Obviously you were right when you declared you had no mind. You OBVIOUSLY haven't been listening. Or if you have, it hasn't sunk in.

Of course I firmly believe the Democrats and Liberals are the enemy. I just propose going about it differently.

Paul

[Consort]

"Temper in moderation is always a virtue;
temper in principle is always a vice."

-- Consort - "Free Republic 'Losing America's Livelihood Thread'" (2004)

[Consort]

Obviously you were right when you declared you had no mind.

Grow up, get a life, and get your act together, Paul.

[Protagoras]

It's the voters, as we all know.

If they turn Bush out, keep that in mind.

[spacewarp]

I have grown up. I have got my act together. I'm not the one lashing out because someone's challenging my comfort zone. Because someone's making me realize that there's a little discomfort in my beliefs because what he's saying is actually something I've seen. So, don't tell me to grow up.

[Consort]

That's the whole point of the slogan: "It's the voters, stupid." Yes? No?