Ex-atheist describes near-death experience

Standard-Times ^ | 1/31/2004 | LINDA ANDRADE RODRIGUES

[strongbow]

"Just as man is destined to die ONCE and then the judgement..... " (capitol letters mine)

How does one reconcile Hebrews 9:27 with such accounts?? Can man die more than once and avoid the judgement and the wrath of God? This leaves me sceptical of the principal and his story. The prince of darkness is powerful to decieve.

[Quix]

I have 0.00% trouble believing it is just as you say.

[Quix]

No trouble at all believing it.

[Quix]

Conceivable.

[Quix]

Your experience is not uncommon.

It is illogical to automatically assume and generalize that your experience is what everyone with an NDE experiences.

[strongbow]

Ketamine is well known for its ability to induce hullicinations and bad postop memories. I know it has been used for recreation for the former properties and I avoid it with children because of it latter. While I was active duty it was forbidden with rated officers in anesthesia and could potentially prevent them from getting back in the cockpit. I have no doubt that it could produce the "NDE" for the susceptible to suggestion.

[Quix]

FOR SURE!

[TBall]

Wow, thanks for sharing your experience.

[Quix]

We don't know the mechanics nor Father's rules about the time of death.

We know that HE IS THE ULTIMATE JUDGE.

Roland Buck in ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT noted that he'd taught all his life as an Assembly of God pastor that at the moment of death, all hope and possibility of choice is forever gone.

He learned on his trips to Heaven, that's not necessarily so--though he was quick to add--it's a grave and serious miscalculation to assume everyone gets another choice at the moment of death. Evidently MOST DO *NOT.*

Evidently some do.

We can make inferrences from Scriptures about such but we have too little 'scientific' information to make emphatic statements and claim they are Scriptural truth.

God is still THE BOSS in all matters, including this one.

[Quix]

There are similarities about all kinds of things.

Similar does not NECESSSARILY mean EQUAL.

[Quix]

wE KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT

EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS THAT JESUS IS LORD.

I trust the Father with that.

[Louisiana]

don't go to hell bump

[Quix]

But the resussitation has to occur within seconds to what--no more than a couple of minutes or so

OTHERWISE, the brain tends to block out the horrors of hell from rebelling against God's perogative over life and death.

I'm not saying that all who commit suicide go to hell. There are some serious medical and other problems involving brain chemistry that may precipitate such and God alone knows who it is fitting for Him to hold them responsible for their suicide. But in general, God's not happy with people taking their own life and the suicides resussitated and asked quickly enough--have frightufl stories to tell of their NDE.

[Quix]

From my moderately extensive reading,

Many are from God.

Some are not.

I don't know of any reliable study with percentages I'd respect.

Jesus said if someone confessed that He came in the flesh, rose from the dead etc. then they were of God. Such criteria fit many Godly focused NDE's.

[Quix]

Few of us who've read so many of your posts are the least bit surprised.

You may have the unglorified distinction eventually of carrying your biases, constructions on reality, skepticism, cynnicism

to a very dark and uncomfortable place.

Hint, smugness, pride, intellectualism etc. are not in evidence there.

Extreme brokenness, despair and the like are the raging norm.

[Quix]

Actually, a fair number of nominal Christians who assumed they were doing OK have had NDE's and ended up in hell very frightfully. Thankfully, God told them they were not finished and gave them another chance.

[Judith Anne]

I think this is a terrific thread, yonif, and I thank you for posting it. The article itself is fascinating--imagine someone going back on his life-long stated beliefs due to an NDE...Imagine how foolish he must have felt, after defending his atheism all those years, and now he must publicly disavow his earlier stance...

It's not easy to say, "I've been wrong, all along." It's not easy for somebody who doubtless had all sorts of scientific and rational arguments for the defense of his atheism to suddenly go to the transcendent, dependent status of a believer who declares that demons, yes, even demons exist and he has seen them...that the Christ he denied is the very Savior of his soul from the pits of hell...

Not fashionable, not "smart" and certainly unsophisticated, yet here he is...a curiosity to some, a laughingstock to some, and an inspiration to some...

God must love him very much, enough to die for him, to save his soul...I believe that's how much He loves us all, even the sinners who deny Him.

[Quix]

VERY WELL SAID.

[Quix]

MEDIUMS, charlatans or satanically aided

ARE QUITE

A DIFFERENT

THING

ENTIRELY.

[Quix]

FASCINATING. THX.