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Humiliated Democrats Dump Loyalty Oath (RAT Attempt at South Carolina Voter Intimidation FAILS!)
Newsmax ^ | February 3, 2004

Posted on 02/04/2004 9:32:07 PM PST by Timesink

Tuesday, Feb. 3, 2004

Humiliated Democrats Dump Loyalty Oath

Democrats have caved to widespread outrage and dumped what South Carolina's largest newspaper calls a "loyalty oath."

The party had planned to force voters in today's primary to swear, "I consider myself a Democrat." Voters in South Carolina do not register by party, but those who refused to sign would have been ejected.

Then the uproar started. The media tattled, and hundreds of voters jammed the state party’s phone lines Sunday and Monday to complain.

"Some callers were confused, some were concerned, and some, said S.C. Democratic Party chairman Joe Erwin, were furious," the Columbia State reported today.

'Dumb'

"They said, 'This is dumb. It’s an outrage.' Some people used stronger language much more colorful than that," Erwin said.

Orangeburg resident Kenneth Mosely, an independent who once ran for Congress, fumed: "I just saw that as an affront, that you would have to take a loyalty oath when the Democratic Party is trying to encourage individuals to participate. Independent-thinking individuals are not going to stand for that."

Virginia Stack of West Columbia told the State: "Voting’s important to me, but God’s more important. I’m not going to lie."

Rice University political scientist Earl Black, formerly of the University of South Carolina, said the damage might have been already done.

"The net result will probably be to confuse some potential voters, since not everyone will probably get the news of the change here on the eve of a vote," he said. "It is a self-inflicted wound that now has been healed, but it is going to leave a fair


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; democratnotamerican; loyaltyoath; notamerican; sc; southcarolina; supertuesday; voterfraud; voterintimidation
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1 posted on 02/04/2004 9:32:08 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Timesink
I'm not surprised that the democrat party considers itself to be "democrat" and NOT American.
2 posted on 02/04/2004 9:41:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Timesink
Leave it to the Democrats to never take anyone at their word. They have to force them to sign an oath.

Well, pretty much shows the level of treachery that Democrats expect from others: the same kind they themselves practice toward America.
3 posted on 02/04/2004 9:43:37 PM PST by Prime Choice (I'm pro-choice. I just think the "choice" should be made *before* having sex.)
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To: Prime Choice
It's the same party that opposes a "loyalty oath" from government employees or any checking for a photo ID at the polls.
4 posted on 02/04/2004 9:50:12 PM PST by weegee
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To: Timesink
"Independent-thinking individuals are not going to stand for that."

It sounds like the Democrats don't want independent thinkers. Loyal adherence to the party is foremost. hmmmm...Where have we seen that before?

5 posted on 02/04/2004 9:58:31 PM PST by Jagdgewehr (One sword, at least, thy right shall guard, One faithful harp shall praise thee!)
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To: Prime Choice
Whoa Whoa Whoa. We can't really say that, what with all the threads we have had around here about voting for Dean or Sharpton and donating money to them to try and get the weakest candidate possible. It is their primary and we should keep our noses out of it.
6 posted on 02/04/2004 10:10:40 PM PST by NoLongerLurking (logic and thought will set you free)
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To: Timesink
The original story in the Columbia State has more detail.

Aside from being incredibly hypocritical--four years ago the national Democratic party was openly encouraging Democrats to vote for John McCain in the Republican primary--it's insanely bad public relations. The State story notes that the directive came from the national party, that is, Terry McAuliffe. Another bonehead move from the dumbest man in politics.

7 posted on 02/04/2004 10:21:32 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: BenLurkin
I'm not surprised that the democrat party considers itself to be "democrat" and NOT American.

I distinctly remember the person who gave the closing at the 2000 democrat convention close with the words "God bless the democrat(ic) party". Not even a "God bless America".

Party uber alles. Didn't we hear that a couple of other times in the last century?

8 posted on 02/04/2004 10:28:26 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: Timesink
This is Terry McAuliffe once again managing to be simultaneously sleazy and boneheaded.

The story has gotten no national publicity at all, which is not surprising. It's the kind of thing that, had Republicans done it four years ago when the national Democratic Party was openly encouraging Democrats to vote for John McCain in the Republican primaries, would have led the evening news for days. (Peter Jennings, a troubled mien visible in his rakishly handsome features, furrows his brow and intones the lead: "In what critics have called an echo of the dread McCarthy era...")

9 posted on 02/04/2004 11:10:35 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Timesink
Didn't the Nazis or Soviets do something like this?
10 posted on 02/05/2004 1:08:15 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: NoLongerLurking
My state, My vote,keep your liberal ass out of it!!
11 posted on 02/05/2004 1:29:09 AM PST by noutopia (Don't hate me cause I'm right !)
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To: noutopia
Its ironic that you call me a liberal when you are the one who wants to vote in the democratic primaries
12 posted on 02/05/2004 6:18:49 AM PST by NoLongerLurking (logic and thought will set you free)
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To: NoLongerLurking
It is their primary and we should keep our noses out of it.

South Carolina has true "open primaries". Anyone registered to vote is allowed to vote in the primary of their choice, regardless of party affiliation. There is a reason for this.

Back in the 50s the Democrat Party (yes it was the Democrat Party back then and not the Democratic Party) in SC required a loyalty oath to register as a Democrat. This oath was not to the party but to the white segregationist cause. They also required a loyalty oath to vote in the primary that stated that you would vote for the Democrat candidate in the general election. These two loyalty oaths insured that blacks or black sympathizers could not vote.

These loyalty oaths were not popular with the national party nor were they popular with many SC Democrats because of the widespread opposition to Unionist loyalty oaths during and after the reconstruction. Loyalty oaths have always rubbed South Carolinians the wrong way.

The SC legislation set about to rectify this problem. Their first solution was to outlaw all political parties. That did not hold up to judicial review and was struck down. Their second solution was to remove all requirements for eligible voters to vote in any election. This they did and it did stood up to judicial review and is the law we live by today.

So you see, we have open primaries for a reason. To ensure that every voter has the freedom to vote anyway he chooses. And what we do not need is for outsiders to stick their noses in our business every four years just so they can feel good about themselves and go home and forget about everything to do with South Carolina.

It is their primary and we should keep our noses out of it.

You are damn straight. It is the people of South Carolinas primary for the Democratic party and you should keep your nose out of our business and quit telling us how to vote.

13 posted on 02/05/2004 11:04:14 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Timesink
Let us not forget nor let them forget that it was the dims that invented the literacy test, poll tax and other jim crow laws to keep black people from voteing during their other invention that is called segregation.
14 posted on 02/05/2004 11:20:09 AM PST by fella
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To: Timesink
Yeah, some of 'em are balking at the "Ein Folk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!" line...
15 posted on 02/05/2004 11:25:02 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Timesink
Who are they afraid that the cross-overs will vote for, Dean?
16 posted on 02/05/2004 11:25:02 AM PST by Eva
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To: fella
Strong fallacy there. The party alignment back then was very different than how it is now. Can't really draw conclusions from that
17 posted on 02/05/2004 11:25:35 AM PST by NoLongerLurking (logic and thought will set you free)
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To: NoLongerLurking
Same tactics same party, the (Tammany) tiger hasn't changed its' stripes.
18 posted on 02/05/2004 11:37:15 AM PST by fella
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To: Between the Lines
Never knew I said I agreed with the loyalty oath. I, in fact do not think they should be trying to use this oath. I was responding to the particular comment made that said the Dems who started the loyalty oath in this primary because they don't trust people and "never take anyone at their word".

My point was that it was probably a safe bet that people were trying to crossover. In reality people crossover in primaries every year to try and influence the opposing party's nomination process. And my overall point was that is wrong in every context and should never be done.

The general elections that take place in Nov every two years for any office be it Gov, Congressman, Senator, or President are the people's opportunity to chose who they want to lead their nation/state/district. The primaries are the chance for the Democratic and Republican parties to make their decisions about who they would like to send to this main contest. It is an internal affair to each party. I know the law does not outline this for a lot of reasons that are not necessary to get into here. The point is that we should be following the spirit of the system, not just the actual outlined rules of it.

Our nation will be better served by a great election this season. I wish it would be based on two positive outlooks on our nation, but I know it won't be because I know both sides are going to go negative fast, the Dems already have and to an effect we have too. Let them pick their champion to put up against our own champion and we can let our nation decide it in Nov.
19 posted on 02/05/2004 11:38:03 AM PST by NoLongerLurking (logic and thought will set you free)
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To: NoLongerLurking
Never knew I said I agreed with the loyalty oath.

I did not think you did either, nor did I imply such.

In reality people crossover in primaries..... And my overall point was that is wrong in every context and should never be done.

And my overall point had nothing to do with loyalty oaths. My point was that my state decided long ago that this was what was best for us. We have a right to vote as we please for whoever we please. And no political lackey from out of state can tell us what to do. We like it this way and we want it this way. Political parties do not dictate how the people of South Carolina can vote. Political parties (both Republican and Democratic) have caused great damage to South Carolina in the past. Open primaries and open elections are our way of keeping these corrupt organizations in check.

The primaries are the chance for the Democratic and Republican parties to make their decisions about who they would like to send to this main contest. It is an internal affair to each party.

It is just this type of exclusivity and elitism that led SC to pass our election laws. Let the SC rain pour all over these two parties private parades!

20 posted on 02/05/2004 3:37:17 PM PST by Between the Lines
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