[ilovew]

**All of those items you mentioned are terrific, could they have been done without adding a bunch more spending?**

Nope. Clearly you're one of those people, however, who likes to sit back and say that if we don't spend money on anything, the country will be better off. Sometimes money has to be spent. I think this is something very important and does require money to be spent.

[My2Cents]

True. In this case, the government needs to spend money to save money, because it will be spending new money toward more effective and less-expensive treatment alternatives (i.e., medications) than Medicare has traditionally paid for (i.e., hospital stays and surgery).

[WhiteGuy]

Please include me in your generalizations.

Please reconsider my point.

The original poster had pointed out that there were reforms in the new medicare entitlement that proved it was truly a conservative victory.

I suggested that these reforms could have been enacted without additional hundreds of billions being taken from the taxpayers and given to the recipients.

If I ever said that if we don't spend money on anything the country will be better off, (while sitting back, of course), then please cite the occurrence.

If you cannot, then you might just want to admit you're a liar and apologize.

Additionally, I might infer that because you feel that adding a new entitlement to already bloated budget is "something very important", you might just be one of those big government loving liberals, but that's not true is it?