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Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth
Brig. Gen. Turnipseed | February 6, 2004 | Hon

Posted on 02/06/2004 3:58:26 PM PST by Hon

I just got off the phone about an hour ago with Brig. Gen. William R. Turnipseed. He is the sole source for the four year old story that Bush was AWOL during his National Guard service.

Mr. Turnipseed is very unhappy with the way what he said "casually" four years ago has been twisted by the "Bush haters" (his words) in the media, especially the Boston Globe (who first reported the story) and the New York Times.

In a nutshell here is what happened, according to Turnipseed. Back in 1972 his Alabama National Guard unit received a letter from Bush (who was in the Texas Nation Guard) asking if he while he was in Alabama do some equivalancy training with the Alabama unit.

Turnipseed said that this request was as a matter of routine turned over to his administrative assistant, Lott, who wrote back to Bush, giving him the dates of the next unit drills. Lott told Bush he could report for those dates.

Neither Turnipseed nor Lott can now remember whether Bush appeared for these drills or not. Turnipseed says he himself might not have even been around the base at the time, so he wouldn't know one way or the other. And he says he has always said this.

The points Turnipseed wanted to stress are these: Bush was never ordered to report for duty to his unit. Since Bush was in the Texas National Guard and Turnipseed was in the Alabama National Guard, he couldn't have ordered him even if he had wanted to. But he didn't want to.

He (or his assistant, Lott) simply gave Bush the dates he could report if he wanted to do equivalency training with them. There were no orders given. If he showed up or didn't show up, it wasn't their concern.

Additionally, Turnipseed says that he never once said anything about Bush being "AWOL." He said it isn't even a term used in the National Guard. And anyway, as already noted, Bush's training record was not his concern, but the Texas National Guard's.

He said that since the Texas National Guard gave him an honorable discharge it shows that he fulfilled his training requirements.

Turnipseed said that the media has constantly misrepresented what he said and edited him so as to make Bush look bad.

He also said that he had no idea who Bush was, and that he certainly didn't do him any special favors. Nor would he have.

He said that when he first spoke to the Boston Globe reporter about this four years ago he didn't realize he was talking to a "Bush hater."

Turnipseed is a strong Bush supporter. He said that he has been contacted many times especially recently, by "Bush haters" in the media, who try to get him to say that Bush was AWOL. Once they realize that he won't cooperate they lose interest in talking to him. When they do quote him, they say he is backpedaling--even though he is still saying the same exact thing he told them four years ago.

He has been recently asked to go on with Peter Jennings and NBC's Dateline, but he is concerned that they will edit him in such a way as to misrepresent his story again. I have been in touch with Fox news, in hopes that they will have somebody talk to him and try to present his story fairly.

Bottom line, this whole AWOL story was media spin from the git-go. The Boston Globe reporter simply cherry picked Turnipseed's comments and totally misrepresented him--to make Bush look bad.

And the media are still doing it four years later. They should be ashamed--but they have no shame. They have only their agenda.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: awol; bsdebunked; bush; bushawol; deserter; honismojo; medialies; williamturnipseed
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I will try to keep this updated if I hear anything more about this from Mr. Turnipseed or Fox.
1 posted on 02/06/2004 3:58:29 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Keeper bump.
2 posted on 02/06/2004 4:01:11 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: Hon
Bump - I'd send this to Rush, Sean, and Drudge.
3 posted on 02/06/2004 4:01:31 PM PST by Alissa
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To: Hon
...they have no shame. They have only their agenda - Agreed!
4 posted on 02/06/2004 4:02:11 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Hon
SPOTREP - Getting it straight re: W
5 posted on 02/06/2004 4:02:13 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Hon
Send it to Brit Hume too. special@foxnews.com

He's awfully good about getting to the bottom of a story and having a guest in for a full segment for a sit down discussion/interview.

If Turnipseed is a Bush supporter, he would probably feel like he'd get a fair hearing for his side of the story with Brit.
6 posted on 02/06/2004 4:03:17 PM PST by terilyn
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To: Hon
Outstanding! I mean really!
7 posted on 02/06/2004 4:03:34 PM PST by cmsgop ( How Come Vic Tayback Never Won an Oscar ???????????????????????????????)
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To: Hon
Truth Bump
8 posted on 02/06/2004 4:03:49 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Hon
I hope FOX will interview him, because certainly the liberal media will twist the interview.

That being said, I remember from my days of drilling that when people didn't show up for drills they usually threatened them with 45 days ACDUTRA. I don't remember hearing about anyone EVER being charged with AWOL for missing drills.

9 posted on 02/06/2004 4:03:54 PM PST by Enterprise ("Do you know who I am?")
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To: Hon
good for you...how did you get a hold of him? i woudln't even know how to go about this! But I am glad you did!
10 posted on 02/06/2004 4:04:07 PM PST by merry10
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To: Hon; Howlin
Good reporting!
Bump
11 posted on 02/06/2004 4:05:10 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Hon
Thank you for posting this.

I hope that FNC does get the good General on, if for no other reason than to put the truth (novel concept) out and on the record.
12 posted on 02/06/2004 4:05:11 PM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: Hon
The Boston Globe? Who'd of thunk it.
13 posted on 02/06/2004 4:05:14 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (When in doubt, charlie out.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Mo1; Howlin; JohnHuang2
This one didn't stay in the sidebar long. Maybe one of you would use your ping list so more people see this?
15 posted on 02/06/2004 4:05:33 PM PST by terilyn
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To: Hon
Yeah dude send this to Drudge right now, If I hear this AWOL crap again from my Demo friends I'm gonna have to be bailed out of jail,....LOL!
16 posted on 02/06/2004 4:05:42 PM PST by cmsgop ( How Come Vic Tayback Never Won an Oscar ???????????????????????????????)
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To: Hon
Gee, more lies by the media who would've guessed?

17 posted on 02/06/2004 4:06:33 PM PST by demlosers (SUV=Haliburton=Bush=Religion=Flag=VRWC=Repubs =WMDs= Oil=Black Helicopters=We're all going to die!!)
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To: Hon
"From The Horse's Mouth"

Almost thought this was another one of those in a long line of stories about Kerry spouting off his mouth over the unfounded Bush was AWOL charge.

18 posted on 02/06/2004 4:07:23 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: Hon
This is not a sarcastic question....BUT....I know who Turnipseed is, I know who George Bush is but who are YOU? Your homepage shows a fairly current registration. They are many Freepers here whose word I would take but am always a little wary of such postings. Do you know Turnipseed personally and just called him for a response? Did he authorize this? Is the media not hounding him to give a response???? Just checking my sources!....
19 posted on 02/06/2004 4:07:29 PM PST by BlessedAmerican (Pray for our President and those who are fighting to preserve our freedom!)
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To: Hon
Hannity is the one to contact. He'll get him on Hannity and Homely.
20 posted on 02/06/2004 4:08:19 PM PST by McGruff ( Botoxgate, Chinagate II, Lobbygate. Bring it on!)
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To: Hon
I am really, really impressed. I nominate this for Thread of the Year.
21 posted on 02/06/2004 4:08:28 PM PST by hellinahandcart (Don't Worry. Be Happy.)
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To: Hon
It is soooo nice to hear the real story. That AWOL crap was getting to me.

Thank you for your report.
22 posted on 02/06/2004 4:09:10 PM PST by fritzz (Idiot of Idiots, to trust what is written - Plautus - Romans must have had their own NY Times)
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To: McGruff
I think he (Hannity) discussed this today.
23 posted on 02/06/2004 4:09:28 PM PST by Buck W.
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To: hellinahandcart
Call the guy up on the phone, who would have thought of that one?
24 posted on 02/06/2004 4:11:39 PM PST by hellinahandcart (Don't Worry. Be Happy.)
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To: BlessedAmerican
Since you checked my home page you could have checked my recent posts and seen how this came about. I was coming at this from an entirely different side. I got into contact first with Tom Turnipseed, who is an uber Bush basher. He told me Turnipseed was a solid Bush man (much to his disgust).

That started me thinking that something didn't quite sound right, so I called him up. If you want to verify further, you can do your own leg work. It isn't that difficult. I don't want to post Turnipseed's phone number or email address. But you could find them if you wanted to.

And yes, Turnipseed would like his side to get out. He gave me his consent to spread the word and to contact news agencies, such as Fox--which I have done.
25 posted on 02/06/2004 4:12:24 PM PST by Hon
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To: McGruff
"Hannity is the one to contact. He'll get him on Hannity and Homely."

I believe Turnipseed said that Colmes has contacted him--either today or yesterday. I got the feeling that he might not have been interested when he turned out to be a Bush supporter.

But I might be wrong about that. In any case, Turnipseed is a little gunshy, after the way his story has been twisted.
26 posted on 02/06/2004 4:14:05 PM PST by Hon
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To: BlessedAmerican; Hon
This is not a sarcastic question....BUT....I know who Turnipseed is, I know who George Bush is but who are YOU? Your homepage shows a fairly current registration. They are many Freepers here whose word I would take but am always a little wary of such postings. Do you know Turnipseed personally and just called him for a response? Did he authorize this? Is the media not hounding him to give a response???? Just checking my sources!....

Good questions...I was wondering the same.

27 posted on 02/06/2004 4:15:19 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Hon; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; gitmogrunt; ...
major bump
28 posted on 02/06/2004 4:15:56 PM PST by RaceBannon (John Kerry is Vietnam's Benedict Arnold: Former War Hero turned Traitor)
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To: Hon
Great Job!! Thanks for getting this info. I sure hope FoxNews picks it up cause it is very timely!
29 posted on 02/06/2004 4:16:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Buck W.
And you're sure we don't have Hannity posting here?...
30 posted on 02/06/2004 4:16:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Hon
This news was published on Newsmax this morning and there was a FR thread also. It's out there, we'll just see if it gets picked up.
32 posted on 02/06/2004 4:19:28 PM PST by socal_parrot (Something is going to happen, I feel it.)
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To: TankerKC
"A simple resource not taught to most journalists."

It's worse than that. They have called him. They aren't interested in what he has to say.
33 posted on 02/06/2004 4:19:41 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Does anyone know who the Boston Globe reporter is who first wrote the article and accused Bush of being AWOL? and/or the date of the article?
34 posted on 02/06/2004 4:21:24 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: terilyn
Brit Hume has an e-mail coming from me.
Thanks
Linda
35 posted on 02/06/2004 4:21:36 PM PST by LilRhody
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Previous thread:

Is AWOL Story Source Will Turnipseed Related To "Iraqi Shield" Left-Wing Bush-Basher Tom Turnipseed?

36 posted on 02/06/2004 4:21:37 PM PST by hellinahandcart (Don't Worry. Be Happy.)
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To: socal_parrot
"Bush Guard Commander Recants AWOL Charge"

You can see why Turnipseed is gunshy about the media. He hasn't recanted anything. He is saying exactly what he has always said. (At least, according to him--and I believe him.)

He is in a bind. If he tries to correct the story they try to make it look like he is "backpedaling" or "recanting."

For some reason they can't admit the truth: "they lied."
37 posted on 02/06/2004 4:22:00 PM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
Sean Hannity was talking about this very thing today. He was saying that the general suddenly recanted. To me, the whole thing is moot. If Bush wasn't brought up on UA (Unauthorized Absence) or desertion charges, then there's nothing left to talk about.
38 posted on 02/06/2004 4:22:48 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
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To: cmsgop
I sent the link to this thread and a brief note to Drudge at his "Send News Tips" window"
39 posted on 02/06/2004 4:22:50 PM PST by Rebelbase ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: Hon
OUTTA HERE!


40 posted on 02/06/2004 4:23:11 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Gut and raze the NEA! )
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To: hellinahandcart
"Is AWOL Story Source Will Turnipseed Related To "Iraqi Shield" Left-Wing Bush-Basher Tom Turnipseed?"

Yeah, and I was all wet about that. In fact, the William Turnipseed who gave Edwards money is another William Turnipseed in Montgomery Alabama. (What are the odds?)

But William Rufus "Sonny" Turnipseed didn't give money to Edwards. That isn't his zip code. (In fact he gave money to the RNC.)
41 posted on 02/06/2004 4:23:54 PM PST by Hon
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To: All
Actuall, William Rufus "Sonny" Turnipseed, Junior.

You gotta love the South.
42 posted on 02/06/2004 4:25:31 PM PST by Hon
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To: Rebelbase
I believe the original Boston Globe story that started this off was entitled "1-year gap of airman at drills from 1972-73." It appeared in the 5/23/2000 edition and was written by Walter V. Robinson.
43 posted on 02/06/2004 4:26:44 PM PST by gaspar
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To: Hon
That thread was started by Carl/Newsmax. I'll ping him/them to this thread.
44 posted on 02/06/2004 4:27:05 PM PST by socal_parrot (Something is going to happen, I feel it.)
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To: Alissa
Bump - I'd send this to Rush, Sean, and Drudge.

Don't worry.

They already got it.

hehe

45 posted on 02/06/2004 4:27:13 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Hon
Bumped and bookmarked.
46 posted on 02/06/2004 4:27:38 PM PST by Rocko
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To: cmsgop
Yeah, I heard this AWOL garbage from some of by DemonRat colleagues. If Bush was AWOL, why wasn't he ever brought up on charges or assigned an administrative punishment for being UA (Unauthorized Absence)? A gap in record-keeping, if there even was one, doesn't mean anything. Crappy record-keeping is SOP for the military.
47 posted on 02/06/2004 4:28:47 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
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To: Hon; All
Here is my suggestion, purchase of paid adverts in the NY Times, Wash Post, Wash Times, Boston Globe, ,LA Times, Wall Street Journal, etc. where Gen. Turnipseed states his case in his own words. I'm sure we all would be willing to donate $ to defray the cost. I'd pony up a small bit. These ads are expensive but it can be done, they will certainly sell you the space.
48 posted on 02/06/2004 4:30:26 PM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Hon
Well done.

A note to Limbaugh might be in order.

49 posted on 02/06/2004 4:30:55 PM PST by Johnny_Cipher (Making hasenfeffer out of bunnyrabbits since 1980)
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To: gaspar
Thanks, using that headline, I was able to find this site, which very lovingly has preserved all of the AWOL stories:

http://awol.gq.nu/AWOL_Globe%20series.htm

Notice how often Turnipseed is quoted. Is really is their only source. And he is misquoted or mischaracterized at best.

He says he never ordered or "directed" Bush. Bush wasn't in his command.
50 posted on 02/06/2004 4:32:50 PM PST by Hon
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