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The Banality of Bias: AP Reporter Injects Anti-White Racism, Corruption, into Miss. Election
Enter Stage Right ^ | 9 February 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 02/09/2004 7:28:22 AM PST by mrustow

During 2003 the seemingly constant journalistic scandals at the New York Times caused reporters and editors who were busy corrupting the news at less notorious outlets to be overlooked. In addition to the Jayson Blair scandal, there were the newspaper of record's l'affaires Rick Bragg, Lynette Holloway and Maureen Dowd; the resuscitation of the Sally Hemings Hoax; the matter of the non-existent terrorist attack in Iraq reported by "Pfc. Jose Belen"; the newspaper's postmortem castration of photographer Marvin Smith; its premature burial of dancer Katharine Sergava; and editorialist and Jefferson-hoaxer Brent Staples' baseless smear, claiming that Strom Thurmond had raped Carrie Butler, the black mother of Thurmond's biracial daughter, Essie Mae Washington-Williams. In the face of such a deluge of localized corruption, Associated Press reporter Shelia Hardwell Byrd was a casualty -- a diligent yet neglected racial propagandist.

Byrd would surely be outraged to be called a racist. After all, "racists" are people who oppress black folks; Byrd does whatever she can to help black folks … and hurt whites. According to the current journalistic dispensation, you couldn't possibly call her a "racist" for that!

Byrd opened her November 5 story, "Race Seen as Factor in Miss. Elections," by emphasizing the importance to her of race in the just-concluded, Mississippi state elections, focusing on the lieutenant governor and treasurer's races:

"They had all the ingredients to become Mississippi's first black politicians elected to a statewide office since Reconstruction: strong resumes, party backing and money to lure voters."

But in the next sentence/paragraph, Byrd acted as if she had done nothing of the sort, when she suggested that white racism cost Barbara Blackmon and Gary Anderson the election:

"But state Sen. Barbara Blackmon, a lieutenant governor candidate, and Gary Anderson, a candidate for state treasurer, both lost Tuesday, and some observers say their skin color was at least part of the reason."

Byrd clearly thought that Blackmon and Anderson's skin color should have gotten them elected; why else celebrate their chances as black politicians? And yet, somehow I doubt that, had they won, Byrd would have written, "State Sen. Barbara Blackmon, a lieutenant governor candidate, and Gary Anderson, a candidate for state treasurer, both won Tuesday, and some observers say their skin color was at least part of the reason."

Byrd is "passing." She is an editorialist who calls herself a reporter. And like most mainstream, socialist editorialists who pass as news reporters, Byrd takes for granted that it is righteous for black voters to be as racist as they wanna be, in voting for candidates based on the color of their skin, but suggests that whites who refuse to support black racism are automatically guilty of racism. If Byrd had any sense of logic or moral (not to mention, journalistic) integrity, she would realize that if it is not racist for black voters to support black candidates based on the color of the candidates' skin, then it also cannot be racist for white voters to support white candidates for the same reason.

(For an example of an "out" editorialist writing on the same topic, see Paul Krugman's rant, "[Confederate] Flags Versus Dollars," in the November 7 New York Times. Krugman, whose columns are a running digest of Democratic National Committee talking points, argues that since Democrat candidates are more supportive of welfare programs, poor and working-class white Southerners are so stupid and racist, that they vote against their own pocketbooks, when they pull the level for Republican candidates.)

The rest of Byrd's disguised editorial race-baited Mississippi Republican politicians and voters, while burying one GOP leader's defense against the race-baiting in a quickie sentence, to give Byrd cover against charges of one-sidedness. She repeatedly quoted race-baiting, Mississippi Democratic Party chairman Rickey Cole. "Rickey Cole, chairman of the Mississippi Democratic Party, said the GOP's tactics in this election season hearkened back to ‘Nixon's Southern Republican strategy to make subtle winks and nods to white racism in the South.'"

You'd never know, to read Byrd, that anti-white race-baiting has been a staple of Democrat politics since the 1960s.

In following the Democrat party line, Byrd used the NAACP-inspired racial code of invoking Republican Governor-elect Haley Barbour's support of the Mississippi state flag, which includes the Confederate battle flag, to tar Barbour and his supporters as racists.

To give herself the appearance of serious, scholarly support, Byrd quoted Leslie B. McLemore, a political science professor at Jackson State University, who mouthed the Democrat/NAACP line: According to Byrd, McLemore said, "'[T]here is no excuse for this to happen in 2003.' He said Tuck and Barbour used race in a blatant manner."

But there's a story within the story. Byrd failed to note that McLemore is a professor at a racist institution. Jackson State University is a publicly funded, black, excuse me, "historically black" university, whose students are taught "A knowledge and recognition of the value of both one's own ethnic and cultural heritage and of the similarities and difference inherent in a multi-cultural society." Translated into English, Jackson State students are taught to value blackness. In English, that's called publicly subsidized, institutionalized, educational racism.

Founded in 1877 as the private Natchez Seminary, the since renamed Jackson College was taken over by the State of Mississippi during Jim Crow, in 1950, and in 1956 renamed Jackson State College. In 1974, the school was elevated to university status. And "In 1979, Jackson State was officially designated the Urban University of the State of Mississippi," a euphemism for "the pre-eminent black university in the State of Mississippi."

According to the school's latest data, Jackson State's student body is 95.3 percent black (7296 out of 7655 students whose race could be determined; the race/ethnicity of 128 "aliens" is not provided by the school). Jackson State was founded, as part of Southern segregation, as a racially segregated, black institution. And yet, to borrow from Leslie B. McLemore, with the destruction of white-imposed segregation, there is no excuse for this to happen in 2004.

Jackson State is one of some 120 "historic black colleges and universities" (HBCUs). Every one of them receives federal funds, and every one of them engages in racial discrimination in its hiring decisions, which means that every one of them is in violation of Title VI, which bars any institution receiving federal funds from engaging in any form of racial discrimination. Unless private HBCUs are willing to forfeit federal funding, there is no legal excuse for this to happen in 2004.

Note that although only 3 per cent of American Ph.D.s are black, Jackson State's faculty is 64.3 per cent black (218 out of 339 faculty members, according to the school's latest figures). It is impossible for an American university to have a minority white faculty, without engaging in egregious racial discrimination in hiring decisions. Were Jackson State a segregated, white institution, teaching the value of whiteness, and discriminating against white job applicants, the feds would cite it for violating the 1964 U.S. Civil Rights Act, and either shut it down, or forcibly integrate it, and would certainly remove JSU officials and language promoting white supremacy. The rules cannot be different, because in Jackson State's case, the segregation is imposed and supported by blacks such as Leslie B. McLemore.

And there is yet another layer to the story that Shelia Hardwell Byrd refused to tell. Byrd failed to report that Leslie B. McLemore is a local politician who has lived off the race card, who is currently a Democrat Jackson city councilman, and whose term does not expire until June 30, 2005.

Now, most universities have conflict-of-interest rules which prohibit one from serving as a professor, at the same time that one is serving as an elected official. (Since the man teaches political science, he must talk about politics all the time. But since he is a Democrat politician, his teachings are virtually guaranteed to be corrupted by his party loyalty. And the commingling of roles as his students' teacher and some of their councilman is also rife with conflicts of interest.) Regardless of how the rules may be at Jackson State University, Shelia Hardwell Byrd, whose beat is Jackson politics, knew that she was committing an unpardonable journalistic sin, by not citing McLemore's office in quoting him. But then, had she done so, it would have blown McLemore's credibility out of the water. Readers would have seen that, far from being a disinterested scholar (if you'll pardon the anachronism), McLemore was merely a politician, speaking on behalf of his party.

Oddly enough, in Byrd's spinning of the defeats of Blackmon and Anderson, she contradicted her own pre-election appraisal of the candidates' chances of winning. On August 29, in "Black woman seeks statewide office in Miss.," Byrd wrote of Blackmon, "To succeed, the Democrat will have to energize black voters--blacks make up 37 of Mississippi's population--and win substantial white support Nov. 4, when she faces Republican Lt. Gov. Amy Tuck." In contrast, on November 5, Byrd flipped the script, in reversing her earlier appraisal: "The two candidates lost despite the fact that Mississippi has a black population of nearly 37 percent and nearly 900 black elected officials on the county and local levels." (Byrd neglected to tell her readers that she was contradicting her earlier analysis.) If black voters were in need of being energized to vote for black candidates, whites cannot be blamed for black voters' refusal to "vote black." You've heard of 20-20 hindsight; Shelia Hardwell Byrd would have you believe that she suffers from retrospective blindness.

And so, Shelia Hardwell Byrd: 1. Ignored a huge story on her own, Jackson beat -- the institutionalized racism that has created power bases for the likes of Leslie B. McLemore, and which McLemore uses to racially harass whites; 2. Misrepresented McLemore; 3. And rather than tell the story of institutionalized, black racism on her beat, chose to write a stealth editorial on a non-story (white racism, for which she had no evidence), which she used to perpetuate anti-white racism.

As egregious as Shelia Hardwell Byrd's racism is, it is also so common as to be banal. As exposes such as William McGowan's Coloring the News: How Crusading for Diversity Has Corrupted American Journalism have shown, Byrd's brand of racism thrives in every major print and network TV newsroom in America. But the fact that such racism is pervasive does not excuse it, anymore than anti-black racism in the Jim Crow South was excused by its pervasiveness.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Mississippi
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1 posted on 02/09/2004 7:28:27 AM PST by mrustow
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2 posted on 02/09/2004 7:41:53 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
i>As egregious as Shelia Hardwell Byrd's racism is, it is also so common as to be banal

THERE is the real shame, folks.
It's so common, that it's accepted.

3 posted on 02/09/2004 7:41:57 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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4 posted on 02/09/2004 7:42:53 AM PST by mrustow
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5 posted on 02/09/2004 7:43:48 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Byrd clearly thought that Blackmon and Anderson's skin color should have gotten them elected; why else celebrate their chances as black politicians? And yet, somehow I doubt that, had they won, Byrd would have written, "State Sen. Barbara Blackmon, a lieutenant governor candidate, and Gary Anderson, a candidate for state treasurer, both won Tuesday, and some observers say their skin color was at least part of the reason."

Byrd is "passing." She is an editorialist who calls herself a reporter.

ZING!

6 posted on 02/09/2004 7:43:54 AM PST by Deliberator
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To: mrustow
Disgusting, disgusting, disgusting, disgusting...

I don't care who's doing the discrimination: black, white, gray, green, purple... WHATEVER. They need to get over themselves.
7 posted on 02/09/2004 7:45:30 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Deliberator
I think I'll steal a page from your book, and start "zinging" people, instead of pinging them.
8 posted on 02/09/2004 7:45:55 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Sheesh, here we go just 'one more time'.
9 posted on 02/09/2004 7:46:47 AM PST by gulfcoast6 (VISION is hope with a blueprint.)
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10 posted on 02/09/2004 7:46:50 AM PST by mrustow
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11 posted on 02/09/2004 7:47:42 AM PST by mrustow
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12 posted on 02/09/2004 7:48:47 AM PST by mrustow
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13 posted on 02/09/2004 7:49:33 AM PST by mrustow
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14 posted on 02/09/2004 7:50:18 AM PST by mrustow
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Media Bias Alert!
15 posted on 02/09/2004 7:50:58 AM PST by mrustow
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To: gulfcoast6
And again and again and again.
16 posted on 02/09/2004 7:51:29 AM PST by mrustow
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To: MegaSilver
Most journalists are unelected politicians who entered the field, in order to abuse power.
17 posted on 02/09/2004 7:52:55 AM PST by mrustow
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To: bourbon; WKB
ping em
18 posted on 02/09/2004 7:53:34 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Izzy Dunne
That's what happens, when you take over the journalism schools.
19 posted on 02/09/2004 7:53:56 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
This reminds m of the 1982 race for California governor. LA MAyor Tom Bradley who was black had been ahead in the polls and in the end he lost to Attorney General George Deukmejian by about 150,000 votes statewide (a very small margin in California).

Someone did an exit poll where a small percentage of people said they didn't vote for Bradley because he was black. Extrapolating the numbers to the entire electorate demonstrated that that percentage exceeded the margin of victory. Therefore, it was alleged, that Bradley lost because he was black.

No question was ever asked in the poll however how many people voted FOR Bradley because he was black, a number that could easily have exceeded the anti-Bradley anti-black vote, since all the LA Times and other statewide media ever talked about during the election was the potential for the "first" major black governor.

For the record, Bradley lost because a really obnoxious handgun control measure was on the ballot, and gun owners turned out in droves to vote against the measure and those like Bradley who supported it.

20 posted on 02/09/2004 8:03:09 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: ElkGroveDan
No question was ever asked in the poll however how many people voted FOR Bradley because he was black, a number that could easily have exceeded the anti-Bradley anti-black vote, since all the LA Times and other statewide media ever talked about during the election was the potential for the "first" major black governor.

Sounds just like the posted article.

For the record, Bradley lost because a really obnoxious handgun control measure was on the ballot, and gun owners turned out in droves to vote against the measure and those like Bradley who supported it.

And Bradley was an ex-cop!

21 posted on 02/09/2004 8:05:57 AM PST by mrustow
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To: stainlessbanner
http://mailbox.gsu.edu/pipermail/tedlog/2003-November/000381.html
22 posted on 02/09/2004 8:09:18 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: mrustow
bttt
23 posted on 02/09/2004 8:12:24 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for the link!
24 posted on 02/09/2004 8:23:20 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
I have never had any association with Jackson State, so I can only speculate, but it may be that when they advertise a faculty position, very few whites apply (either because they don't expect to be hired, or don't expect to be successful at an almost-all-black institution)...and the people making the hiring decisions may think that a black person will be more effective with their students than a white person would be.
25 posted on 02/09/2004 8:23:46 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Lancey Howard
Bumpbackatcha!
26 posted on 02/09/2004 8:23:57 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Verginius Rufus
I have never had any association with Jackson State, so I can only speculate, but it may be that when they advertise a faculty position, very few whites apply (either because they don't expect to be hired, or don't expect to be successful at an almost-all-black institution)

Having spent six years and change teaching college as an adjunct, and having a white Ph.D. friend who had to go to Saudi Arabia to get his one and only full-time teqching job, I have to doubt that. While even in the humanities, black Ph.D.s have both predominantly white and predominantly black institutions chasing after them to hire them, white male Ph.D.s must desperately search the entire planet for full-time teaching jobs.

...and the people making the hiring decisions may think that a black person will be more effective with their students than a white person would be.

That's illegal. It's also untrue -- studies have shown that black instrutors are no more successful at teaching black students than are white educators. As a matter of fact, after blacks ran off white teachers and administrators from their public schools, and demanded new, black public colleges with black professors and administrators, black academic achievement collapsed.

27 posted on 02/09/2004 8:31:16 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
I agree with your post except for the implications of this one paragraph:

But there's a story within the story. Byrd failed to note that McLemore is a professor at a racist institution. Jackson State University is a publicly funded, black, excuse me, "historically black" university, whose students are taught "A knowledge and recognition of the value of both one's own ethnic and cultural heritage and of the similarities and difference inherent in a multi-cultural society." Translated into English, Jackson State students are taught to value blackness. In English, that's called publicly subsidized, institutionalized, educational racism.

While Professor McLemore may be an egregious hypocrite, for his comments on the election, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a people taking pride in their own ethnic and cultural heritage. People who take pride in their heritage should be the norm. Do you really prefer an America where minorities do not take pride in who they are, but think of themselves as victims, and where Whites do not take pride in who they are, but think of themselves instead, as exploiters and oppressors, as they are pictured in the propaganda of the Left? (Race being used today as a metaphor for Class Warfare.)

It is the victim/guilt nonsense that is destroying all of our heritages, and creating hatred. If the Professor really had more pride in his own identity, or at least some self-respect, he might not be so quick to whine because other people voted for candidates whom they felt represented their heritage and culture.

We need to get back to the common sense understanding urged so clearly by Booker T. Washington, which looked to progress by all upon principles basic to the American experience--individual responsibility and personal development, with mutual respect between the diverse components of a common homeland. (The alternative is, what the Left has promoted for the past three generations, deliberately trying to destroy whatever goodwill there was between the races: Creating Hate In America Today.)

I consider whatever Jackson State--the Professor notwithstanding--can do to improve the sense of self-respect as opposed to the alternatives, among its student body, to be admirable. It should be encouraged, not denounced.

William Flax

28 posted on 02/09/2004 8:39:33 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: mrustow
Liberals are bigots. Bigots apply stereotypes to all members of a group, that's the definition of "bigot".

To liberals, everyone south of the Mason Dixon owns a pickup, a Rebel flag and bass boat. And oh yeah\, they are by bigoted liberal elite terms, racist.

I'd love to see the NYT circulation on a color coded map. That would be funny. Bet it parallels the red/blue 2000 election map.

29 posted on 02/09/2004 8:41:25 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (How can they call it a "Peace March" when they unconditionally support those who kill our soldiers?)
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To: mrustow
Liberals are bigots. Bigots apply stereotypes to all members of a group, that's the definition of "bigot".

To liberals, everyone south of the Mason Dixon owns a pickup, a Rebel flag and bass boat. And oh yeah\, they are by bigoted liberal elite terms, racist.

I'd love to see the NYT circulation on a color coded map. That would be funny. Bet it parallels the red/blue 2000 election map.

30 posted on 02/09/2004 8:41:30 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (How can they call it a "Peace March" when they unconditionally support those who kill our soldiers?)
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To: Ohioan
While Professor McLemore may be an egregious hypocrite, for his comments on the election, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a people taking pride in their own ethnic and cultural heritage. People who take pride in their heritage should be the norm.

If they want to promote their group's "pride," they have to do it in a private school, without taking any public funds.

31 posted on 02/09/2004 8:44:59 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Doctor Raoul
I'd love to see the NYT circulation on a color coded map. That would be funny. Bet it parallels the red/blue 2000 election map.

I'd like to see that, too. My hunch is that you'd be right.

32 posted on 02/09/2004 8:46:27 AM PST by mrustow
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To: ElkGroveDan
You have to understand that ALL white people have a genetic predisposition to racism. Also this gene is missing from minorities.
33 posted on 02/09/2004 9:03:01 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Valin
LOL. That's why we must have affirmative action forever!
34 posted on 02/09/2004 9:07:08 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
If they want to promote their group's "pride," they have to do it in a private school, without taking any public funds.

Well, unless Mississippi has changed very much for the worse, most Mississippians of either race, would applaud the idea of students learning to respect themselves and their heritage. That would be both a civic view and a religious view--that being what the Fifth Commandment clearly intends. (And please don't tell me that Mississippi is now in the grips of the ACLU or Southern Poverty Law Center crusade against traditional Faith based concepts.)

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

35 posted on 02/09/2004 9:08:55 AM PST by Ohioan
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(((MS PING)))
36 posted on 02/09/2004 9:09:23 AM PST by bourbon
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To: mrustow
"skin color cost them teh election" - yeah well.. it happened to the Republican candidate in the Louisiana race as well- he wasn't considered dark enough to be considered by Dems to be "of color" so not worthy of their vote
37 posted on 02/09/2004 9:10:05 AM PST by newzhawk
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To: newzhawk
Excuse me, but Sonny Jindal was the Republican candidate. Therefore, he COULDN'T have lost because of the color of his skin. Only black and Hispanic democrats can lose because of the color of their skin. Got it?
38 posted on 02/09/2004 9:43:01 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Doctor Raoul
To liberals, everyone south of the Mason Dixon owns a pickup, a Rebel flag and bass boat.

Hey, I'm short one flag & one bass boat - it's discrimination, I tell ya! I demand reparations!

39 posted on 02/09/2004 9:49:13 AM PST by talleyman (It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.)
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To: mrustow
BTTT
40 posted on 02/09/2004 11:00:00 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
Bumpbackatcha!
41 posted on 02/09/2004 12:22:48 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Ohioan
"(And please don't tell me that Mississippi is now in the grips of the ACLU or Southern Poverty Law Center crusade against traditional Faith based concepts.)"

Well Mr. Flax, mrustow may not say it but I will.
That's precisely where MS *is* (& all other southern "Baptist Belt" states, for that matter).

You recall what *they* did to Bush's fed court judge nominee from Mississippi recently, don'tcha?
Then of course you also remember something else too, "how" they borked 'em.

Or for that matter the judge from neighboring AL?

...& isn't that the whole point?

42 posted on 02/09/2004 12:58:06 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru
I don't think that is the whole point. My guess is that the average Mississippian would like to see Justice Moore in Alabama vindicated. I do realize that in both States, you have a certain "sophisticated" element, who think that it looks better, if they try to mouth values out of the New York Times Opinion Section; but are you telling me that the phonies have broad popular support?

The vote on the flag issue, strongly suggests otherwise!

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

43 posted on 02/09/2004 1:27:22 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
"I don't think that is the whole point."

Well I do.

"my guess is that the average Mississippian would like to see Justice Moore in Alabama vindicated."

*Guess*?
Look Bill, let's look at a paraphrasing of the "Rules of Engagement" as they stand today & cut the guessing, OK?
Those rules are as follows:

"Byrd is 'passing.' She is an editorialist who calls herself a reporter. And like most mainstream, socialist editorialists who pass as news reporters, Byrd takes for granted that it is righteous for black voters to be as racist as they wanna be, in voting for candidates based on the color of their skin, but suggests that whites who refuse to support black racism are automatically guilty of racism."

Get it?
That's reality today.
A majority of white people will parrot that as sure as God made little green apples.
I know, I meet 'em every day & they tell me.

No amount of denial, debating, reasoning and/or citing the constitution -- verbatim -- is going to change what we have & will continue to repeatedly witness, either.

While I admire your tenacity & spirit, the *issue(s) are also simply moving on, leaving only those who're either unable or unwilling to "call it a duck," behind.

"I do realize that in both States, you have a certain 'sophisticated' element, who think that it looks better, if they try to mouth values out of the New York Times Opinion Section; but are you telling me that the phonies have broad popular support?"

Ummm, yea!
Are you trying to tell me the phonies don't?
Explain Hillary Rodham Clinton for example, winning a seat in the senate when the old bag's no more qualified than the Cat in the Hat. (~purely rhetorical...)

For the definitive answer to the question you posed (& I vollied back) though, we must wait to see what happens in November, eh?
I say that -- solely -- because between now & November the entire force of the nation's media (all of 'em), Hollyweird and all of pop culture are going to try their damnedest to prove a point, Bill.

"The vote on the flag issue, strongly suggests otherwise!"

I suspect the Liberal-Socialists behind the failed flag banning movement haven't gone away.
They're merely regrouping, reconfiguring their strategies & if I know my Liberal-Socialist's mo correctly, than that means just one thing.
Finding a way to make [it] a "civil rights" issue & therefore get it before their activist judges.

In which case Bill, to hell with the vote.

...just as they've done so many other times, before.

44 posted on 02/09/2004 2:29:03 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: mrustow
Thanks for the heads up. Power corrupts. But what I was to know is where did journalists get such power? Not constitutionally, that's for sure.
45 posted on 02/09/2004 6:13:18 PM PST by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: Landru
We will just have to agree to disagree--I still have a few Southern contacts, and they are not as pessimistic as you.

As for Hillary in New York--that is New York, which sent a Communist to Congress in the World War II era, and has only had one actually Conservative Senator in my lifetime (Jim Buckley).

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

46 posted on 02/09/2004 7:06:17 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: mrustow
"...Incoming!..."

Not Me!! I get in trouble on black threads............FRegards

47 posted on 02/09/2004 9:25:09 PM PST by gonzo ('Joy', to the world, was a beautiful girl, but to me 'Joy' meant only sorrow.........)
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To: gonzo
There you are you raskel!
How've you & the family been?

I hope well.
Good to see you're kicking around, Bar.

...few of the old guard are around anymore.

48 posted on 02/10/2004 4:40:15 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Ohioan
"We will just have to agree to disagree..."?

Yup, on this we will.

"I still have a few Southern contacts, and they are not as pessimistic as you."

Guard against confusing "pessimism" with "realism", Bill.
One's a sickness, the other a blessing (that may very well be a genuine saving grace).

"As for Hillary in New York--that is New York, which sent a Communist to Congress in the World War II era, and has only had one actually Conservative Senator in my lifetime (Jim Buckley)."

Well I could've mentioned Feinstein, Kennedy, DeLauro, Waxman, Dingell, Franks, Lantos, Waters & on and on if I'd really wanted to get obnoxious making my point, eh?

See, "the phonies" out there actually have "phonies" representing 'em in government, Bill; so, yes I'd say they do enjoy a [fairly] broad popular support as evidenced by their rep's very presence.
I'm sure you took all that into account, though.

...& were just being optimistic, eh? {g}

49 posted on 02/10/2004 5:05:13 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: SiliconValleyGuy
Power corrupts. But what I was to know is where did journalists get such power? Not constitutionally, that's for sure.

That's what's so "great" about it -- no checks, no balances.

50 posted on 02/10/2004 6:46:16 AM PST by mrustow
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