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1 posted on 02/09/2004 9:00:21 AM PST by truthandlife
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It is well past time to be loyal to Christ instead of the Republican Party. Time to stand for righteousness. It is time for a third party; the Constitution Party is the one I have in mind.

If we lived in a parlimentary system, the Constitution Party might make some sense. Get enough red-meat conservatives together to get at least five percent of the vote and gain some seats in Parliment.

Of course, you would then need to form a coalition with other parties, and make compromises in order to be part of the ruling coalition. In our system, you make your compromises earlier rather than later to create a party that can win a majority of the votes in the election - but in both systems, they still have to be made - unless you can win an outright majority without other factions - which ain't gonna happen in 2004.

Nowadays, the hard-left and hard-right have about the same numbers and are loathe to cross over, so the battleground in the presidential election is to win the 20 percent or so who make up the mushy middle without losing too much on the flanks - Gore lost in 2000 because he lost more of his flank vote than Bush did. And the mushy middle rules elsewhere - the current alignment on SCOTUS allows frickin' Sandra Day O'Conner to set judicial policy as the swing vote between two factions. It sucks cheese, but it is the current reality.

Trust me, I feel the same pain on many days when I open up FR and see the latest spending proposals. But we also can influence the GOP from within - Bush agreed to spending limits after a near-mutiny from conservatives. And since we're not having a GOP primary this election, this is the time to yell the loudest, prior to the convention, so we get to lay some of the planks in the GOP platform. And that is one of only two platforms with any chance of enactment - so you can decide whether you want to build a pristine Constitution Party platform that is pleasing to look at but will never be used, or you can fight for as many planks as you can get with the GOP platform and then live with it until we can mint more conservatives.

In the end, you have to decide - who do you think the Bush Admin is going to listen to - folks who are unwilling to be part of a larger coalition if they don't get their way, or folks who will support a larger coalition if they get some of their way? You have to think long and hard as to whether you want to be inside or outside power.

2 posted on 02/09/2004 9:02:46 AM PST by dirtboy (We have come here not to insult Howard Dean, but to bury him...)
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To: truthandlife
WWMD (what would Machiaveli do?) Neocon's first consideration
imo
5 posted on 02/09/2004 9:07:04 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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6 posted on 02/09/2004 9:08:35 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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Thanks for posting this, truthandlife.
7 posted on 02/09/2004 9:11:00 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Opportunity: http://www.peroutka2004.com)
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To: truthandlife
"This country is in a constitutional and moral crisis and "... has been since the day it was founded.

I'm sick of these cargo-cult conservatives who want to run away from the real political process and whimper amongst themselves how great the country would be if some strong jack-booted Leader would force the people to respect the Constitution.

The fault is in the people, but what great propaganda it is to give them some one else to blame!

8 posted on 02/09/2004 9:12:22 AM PST by mrsmith
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Maybe if we practice tough love the Republican Party would repent and come back to its platform. But if not, duty is duty. Let righteousness ring!

I am sure that eight years of Kerry and a Democratic congress will do wonders for everyone. Perhaps, after the new President appologises to Islamists as he has promised, raises taxes on the "rich", reunites us with the Europeans by signing the ICC and Kyoto accords, and takes the profits of the evil drug and healthcare industries by further limiting competition, then the forces of "true" conservatism will have won.

11 posted on 02/09/2004 9:16:04 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: truthandlife
Every time I see this type of "conservative" writing I ask myself one question. Which little democRAT worm wrote it? All this would do is elect a RAT
12 posted on 02/09/2004 9:18:26 AM PST by sticker
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What state has members of the constitution party in their state legislature either as senators or representatives?

What is the size (% of actual voters) of the constitution party vote by state in the 2000 election? What is the size (% of actual voters) of the constitution party vote by state in the 2002 Congressional elections?

Thanks.
13 posted on 02/09/2004 9:18:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To most Christians the elections are just about winning, not truth and righteousness.

In politics, winning is everything — for the Democrat Party, for the Republican Party....and for the Constitution Party. If you lose, you can't implement your agenda.

15 posted on 02/09/2004 9:19:35 AM PST by Consort
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Maybe if we practice tough love the Republican Party would repent and come back to its platform.

Yes! Let's follow the example of the far left for success!

Flush with excitement from garning 2.7 percent of the vote for Ralph Nader in the 2000 elections and denying Al Gore the presidency, they have pursued a convoluted antiwar agenda and taken over the primary process in 2004 to where the best candidate they can muster is a Massachusssets liberal who makes Ted Kennedy look conservative by comparison, thereby almost guaranteeing Bush the White House for four more years without even campaigning yet.

But at least their hearts are pure and untainted by that horrible compromising with moderates that is required to win the White House!

If the right wing takes five percent of the vote from Bush, that sure would show 'em!

16 posted on 02/09/2004 9:20:08 AM PST by dirtboy (We have come here not to insult Howard Dean, but to bury him...)
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Sorry, I'm not voting for any third party so the DemocRATS can do another Divide-and-Conquer like they did in '92 and '96.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Constitution Party's platform, but does this author think for one minute that a Constitution Party President can get away without compromising to get anything he wants? There are no Constitution Party Representatives in the House or Senate. Any third party needs to start building representation in those bodies before they can begin to seriously be considered for the Presidency.

No way...It's Dubya who'll get my vote.
17 posted on 02/09/2004 9:20:10 AM PST by gooleyman
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To: truthandlife
In your opinion, would Christ vote for Bush or the Democrat candidate. Certainly you would blasphemy him by suggesting that he would be gullible enough to vote for some third-party scam artist.
18 posted on 02/09/2004 9:20:10 AM PST by bayourod ( Dean's anti-terrorism plan: "treat people with respect and they will treat you with respect"12/1/03)
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It is the moral and biblical duty of Christians to choose representatives of great moral character who fear God.

It is then our job to support them in prayer and stand with them when they are persecuted

And when they become weak and want to compromise we hold their feet to the fire.

All well and good but where are all the dinosaurs gone?

21 posted on 02/09/2004 9:25:20 AM PST by VOYAGER
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When folks start babbling about the "New World Order" my brain tends to click off.

But overall the author has a good point about "Christians who blindly support Republicanism over righteousness". It's alarming to see fellow Christians who seem to rely more on gubmint than on God.
23 posted on 02/09/2004 9:28:03 AM PST by k2blader (Folks who deny the President's proposal is an amnesty are being intellectually dishonest.)
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Truth is the Christians who blindly support Republicanism over righteousness have blood all over their hands.


...Unlike Christians who vote DEMOCRAT, the party of State paid Abortion....
27 posted on 02/09/2004 9:32:07 AM PST by JustPlainJoe
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"We have got to stop supporting a candidate just because he or she has an "R" before his or her name."

I think I would rather vote for the "R" and hope than to vote for the "D" and remove all doubt.
28 posted on 02/09/2004 9:32:34 AM PST by Adder
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We must put the blame at the feet of Christians for the crisis we find ourselves in today. The Republican Party is not going save America. And our blind loyalty to it is destroying us. The party has been infiltrated with baby killers, sodomites, fornicators promoters, big government socialism, big spending money grubbers, anti gun Marxists just to name a few.

What did Jesus have to say on the subject of big government? Does it say somewhere in Paul's letters that Christians should pack heat? I think that the article's author is coming from the right place but imo he puts himself on dodgy ground if he thinks "Christian" and "Right Wing" can be used interchangably. Many Christian positions are considered Right Wing, but not all Right Wing positions are necessarily "Christian".
33 posted on 02/09/2004 9:35:00 AM PST by ScudEast
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34 posted on 02/09/2004 9:35:50 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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This is the kind of stuff that really bothers me as a true Christian. Here's why:

First an excerpt from the piece:

"Both parties are taking us to a New World Order at mach speed while the see no evil, hear no evil Christians do nothing. This Blind Loyalty has gone to such an extreme that if anyone mentions something negative about a Republican politician, the Christians attack the messenger. They have forgotten that God says to stand for righteousness not Republicanism. Or maybe their preachers have never bothered to mention it.

If Christians are not salt and light, they are good for nothing. Every Christian will give an account on how he governed in this constitutional republic. What will the Lord Jesus Christ say, "Well done my good and faithful servant" or "their blood will I require at your hands"?

It is well past time to be loyal to Christ instead of the Republican Party. Time to stand for righteousness. It is time for a third party; the Constitution Party is the one I have in mind. Visit their website at www.constitutionparty.com. Check out their party platform and their candidates and you will see a big difference. Maybe if we practice tough love the Republican Party would repent and come back to its platform. But if not, duty is duty. Let righteousness ring!"

First of all, it is the liberal wing of the democratic party, now just about the entire party from a pragmatic perspective, is taking us to a "new world order" a LOT faster than anything the Rs have done or do. It may simply be a case of 0 steps forward or 5 steps back, but that "0 step(s) forward" is at least halting progress. And even if it is somehow perceived that it's 2 steps back or 5 steps back, take the lesser.

Secondly, anyone familiar with what the scripture says, and I don't mean in a general sense, I mean in a deeper sense, Christians who actually study the Bible themselves vice simply gobbling up what their pastor tells them, should easily see that Christians are to "salt and light" personally, not as mere collective. That is where the entire thing has fallen apart.

This article, while recent, is dated, back about four or five decades quite frankly if not even further. Christians ceased studying for themselves, in large part, a long time ago. They began to believe what many errant pastors and other church leaders, such as the liberal pastors today, told them along the way!

While I agree, that the Rs are not exactly God's right hand here in politics in America, it should be pretty clear that the libs are Satan's right hand, in spades.

They are pro everything that God is against at the most important levels/issues.

"Every Christian will give an account on how he governed in this constitutional republic. What will the Lord Jesus Christ say, "Well done my good and faithful servant" or "their blood will I require at your hands"?

This is true, however, it doesn't say 'well done good and faithful non-servants...' does it! To assume that the single truly Christian voting base can singlehandedly vote the new president into office is so incredibly flawed that it's not even worth discussing why. If it weren't so, then what "God told Pat Robertson" would have come true and he'd have been president, eh! Ironically, that didn't happen. Not that I'm an enormous Robertson fan, but he have "fit the bill" politically from the perspective that this author shares.

Here's a far more important piece of information that the author seems to be completely ignorant of:

Matt. 36-39 and context:"36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

Absent in that passage is any indication that mere men can alter God's timing and overall plan. There are other indications that prayer would be the most effective tool. How many hours have you spent in prayer on the issue Ms. McGinley?

I just took a peak at your website. Frankly, I have some "issues" and "questions." I will let those lie however.

You make the same mistakes that the Jews made, that christians today are making, and that many have made down throughout the ages. You assume that God has his designs on this world and this life when he has clearly, oh so clearly stated over and over again that it would be completely destroyed at His second coming! See II Peter 3: "10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming." Then by all means, read on!

As well, referring back to the Matthew passage above, you will note that just prior to the Lord Christ's return, the days will revert back as they were in the "Days of Noah". You can only assume what they were like after what few facts are provided in Genesis 6 are taken into consideration. Suffice it to say that evil was rampant, and that was "evil" as defined by God, not by political or "good" man!

While I am no defender of the moral and other judgements of the modern day republican party, quite the contrary on many issues and matters actually, what you suggest in your article Ms. McGinley, will only hasten that which apparently you fear the most. If you possessed a grain of common sense, you'd realize that.

Christians will not stand on their "voting record" once their time in this world ends. Rather, they'll stand on the blood of Christ, and nothing else or less! I would assume that God expects us to apply common sense through all of this and in particular how we vote.

Since your recent history memory is so short, apparently I must remind you that the most damaging president in the history of the nation from those things you say you fear the most, came onto the scene specifically and directly as a result of others taking the exact same stance you are taking here. Clinton had no where near enough votes to win an election in a "two-candidate" election. Nevertheless, thanks to people like you, who seem to have decided and redecided God's will that it is here on earth that where righteousness will reign completely contrary to everything that the Scriptures say.

In fact, how are true Christians to know that you are not simply a 'wolf in sheep's clothing', which quite frankly, appears that it may be the case. In any case, your lacking understanding of Scripture is causing you to push things in exactly the direction that you do not wish to move!

I am under no disillusions as to where this nation is headed, but if a person like Kerry were to become president, I can truly say that to the extent possible, it would be time to move out to the country and be as self-sufficient as possible. Kerry is no different that Bill Clinton would be.

So apply the common sense that God gave a walnut here and realize, quickly I might add, that God is not going to do something simply b/c you or a handful of others, likely many of whom do not even truly know Him, "decide for Him" that he will do!

If this nation were to stop regressing, I'd be fully content. That will not happen at this point, again, being under no illusions here. But what can be altered is the rate of regression. Consider that in your assessment.

In the meantime, I will take God's Word over yours w/o even a thought. I will also not be bullied by people such as you who attempt to challenge my Christianity as if it's directly linked to my voting record when it has nothing to do with it! The battle is won on your knees not in the voting booth! How much time have you spent there Ms. McGinley?!

43 posted on 02/09/2004 9:54:57 AM PST by wingster
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Righteousness or Republicanism

A more appropriate title may be Self-Righteousness or Republicanism
44 posted on 02/09/2004 9:55:42 AM PST by plain talk
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