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Assault weapons ban back in play; Feinstein tries to get reluctant Congress ...
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Feb 9, 2004 | by Edward Epstein

Posted on 02/09/2004 9:03:09 AM PST by Lazamataz

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: justshutupandtakeit
You are dreaming, a nice romantic dream but still a dream. Leftists aren't terrified by the 2d amendment in any way. It is just a convenient whipping boy they use to appeal to the weak-minded terrorized by crime.

Just so. This one isn't. Nor is he impressed, or excited, or happy, or sad. He is dead. Worm food. Pining for the fjords,'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace!

He's not a bit terrified. He's dead, Jim.

201 posted on 02/10/2004 6:03:31 AM PST by archy (I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold. We'd fire no guns-shed no tears....)
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To: Lazamataz
"We're working,'' Feinstein said, citing polls that show overwhelming public support for the assault weapons ban.

The gun lobby MUST find a forum to present its case on this issue. The fact is that most Americans right now support the ban, even Americans who are not anti-gun in general.

The pro-gun lobby must show that this bill is not aimed at fully automatic military weapons and machine guns, and that the guns which are targetted are rarely, if ever, used for criminal purposes in the United States. They must expose this bill for what it really is, just another attempt by anti-gun leftists to incrementally disarm the America public. These weapons were available to the general public for DECADES before the ban went into effect, and were never a significant problem in law-enforcement.

If this bill gets to Bush's desk before the general election, he's finished. Either way he's screwed. If he signs it, he may loose just enough gun-state votes to flush him out of office. If he fails to sign it, he will loose enough moderate Republican and Independant votes to give the election to Kerry. The election is going to be THAT close. Just a razor thin margin.

I oppose this law and don't want it renewed. But the consequences for gun-owners of a Kerry victory, and the consequences to America of this traitor getting elected to office override all other concerns.

For the good of America, Kerry MUSTY be defeated. If not, Islamic terrorism will run rampant when Kerry cuts and runs in Iraq. Its that simple.
202 posted on 02/10/2004 6:40:38 AM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR JOE MCCARTHY!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
Look--while your confidence that 'it will make it to Bush's desk' is '100% guaranteed,' I'd love to know by what divination method you come up with this...
203 posted on 02/10/2004 6:51:09 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Spok
he's beginning to feel his base fading away

So far, he's managed to p***o%% the fiscal conservatives, the limited-Gummint conservatives, the immigration-control conservatives, and the conservatives whose jobs have moved to India and China.

All that remains are the NRA types and the anti-abortion types.

Slim pickins...

204 posted on 02/10/2004 6:55:14 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: looscnnn
I read an article about a former Soviet big wig that said that the reason Russia never tried to invade the US is not because of our military (they felt they could beat it), but because of all the guns that the citizens had.

Same applies to the Japanese, who actually thought about it during WWII.

Then they realized that Cali. had a well-armed population AND the mountains.

205 posted on 02/10/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Lazamataz
Then Bush had better veto it or be a one term president just like his daddy.
206 posted on 02/10/2004 7:08:47 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ZULU
If Bush vetoes it I strongly doubt he'd lose more votes than he'd gain. There's a huge backlash against gun control out there now, and I think it would greatly help him to veto.
207 posted on 02/10/2004 7:11:37 AM PST by Monty22
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To: Don Joe
They know that if they can continue slowly gaining compromise after compromise, your guns will, inside of a generation or so, be just so much worthless scrap metal.

They also know that the people will continue to willingly, even gladly, compromise time and time again. It the 'lesser of two evils' ya know.

208 posted on 02/10/2004 7:13:56 AM PST by templar
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To: SevenDaysInMay
In Washington, our choice is RINO socialism or Dem-Politburo fascism.

My take on it is that we have no choice. It's socialism, period. The debate is over how it is administered: Whether we have Fascist socialism under Republican authority, Marxist socialism under Democrat authority, or middle of the road socialism (like England) under bi-partisanship. For the majority of us it really won't make much difference at all in the way we are required to live, but the outcome is quite important to the elite groups.

209 posted on 02/10/2004 7:21:46 AM PST by templar
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To: templar
They also know that the people will continue to willingly, even gladly, compromise time and time again. It the 'lesser of two evils' ya know.

I'd rather lose everything slowly then experience the discomfort of having to fight for the right. ~ Pledge of the New American

210 posted on 02/10/2004 7:23:07 AM PST by Jim Cane (Vote Tancredo in '04)
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To: Lazamataz
Damn "the Assault weapons ban" was a dead issue and would've drifted off into history. It was the Bush administration that raised it from the dead.
211 posted on 02/10/2004 7:28:02 AM PST by Mikey
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I have stuck with him when he announced the "big tent" policy that basically pandered to homosexuals by not repealing clintoon's "don't ask, don't tell" bullshit.

I stuck with him when he refused to take women out of combat positions to pander to the feminists.

I stuck with him when he signed CFR.

I stuck with him when he left his judicial nominees to fend for themselves in the Senate.

I stuck with him when he signed the $290 BILLION farm bill that was so laden with pork that he had to scrape the lard off it before he could sign it.

I have stuck with him when he announced what basically amounted to amnesty for illegal aliens.

For me, the AW Ban is the line I draw so don't DARE give me crap about being a "one-issue" voter!
212 posted on 02/10/2004 7:29:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Don Joe
"And what exactly did you have in mind?"

I am working on trying to get together a ralley/march of all citizens,etc. that are pro-gun. I would like to hold it in DC, maybe have a couple of pro-gun musicians play also. I was thinking about holding it May 14/15, but I wonder if July/Aug. would be better. Get all groups (NRA, SAS, GOA, etc.) together, have a couple million gun rights people. This will definately make a statement.
213 posted on 02/10/2004 7:51:45 AM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: All
A Blueprint for Ending Gun Control
http://www.saveourguns.com/poster-peapodschumer.htm

August 15, 2001

A Blueprint for Ending Gun Control
[© Copyright 2001 by JPFO. Permission to reproduce in its entire content without any editing is granted providing all contact information for JPFO is included.]

By L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman

WARNING! If you're the kind of self-defense advocate who actually believes in doing something, it's likely that you'll find this article interesting and useful. If, however, you'd rather complain than act, if you believe "we can live with" whatever unconstitutional measure has just been or is about to be passed, or that perhaps we'd better write the next legislation ourselves, before it's written for us -- in short, if you feel more comfortable on your knees than on your feet, the authors strenuously suggest that you skip this article, as they don't wish to be responsible for raising your blood pressure and possibly killing you.

STEP ONE: REMEMBER HISTORY

By some estimates "gun control" -- better referred to as victim disarmament -- began in 1968, when retail gun sales were first registered under federal law, and mail order sales sharply regulated. Others say it was in the 30s, when the government, in violation of the Second Amendment, began telling Americans what kind of guns they could and couldn't have. Others point to New York's 1911 Sullivan Act, which outlawed possession of guns in that city, meaning that self-defense was effectively outlawed, too.
But the phenomenon is older than that. Some say victim disarmament began in the 19th century, when Wyatt Earp and his brothers tried to force a rival gang to disarm themselves. Under similar circumstances, the Fourteenth Amendment had to be passed, following the War between the States, because some jurisdictions tried to prevent black people from exercising the individual right to own and carry weapons.

That right -- and attempts by those in power to suppress it -- are central to American history. Our nation was born as a result of an 18th century victim disarmament scheme, when minions of King George III, meaning to steal rifles and ammunition from their American cousins, were violently rebuffed at Lexington and Concord.

Recent clashes with those in power concerned weapons, as well. Ruby Ridge was about a shotgun barrel allegedly a quarter of an inch too short. The Waco Massacre occurred when members of a church were accused of having too many, or the wrong kind of, guns. It turned out, after they were all dead or in prison, that they owned fewer guns, per capita, than the average Texas family.

Naturally, in this struggle, those on the pro-gun side have spoken out. Groups have formed to see the Second Amendment properly enforced. An early one was made up of former Union officers trying to make sure the nation produced enough marksmen to defend it. They were also instrumental in passing the Fourteenth Amendment.
Others have come and gone, responding to increasing challenges to a right that was never supposed to have been questioned. These groups have fought proposed new laws in congress, the state house, and city hall. They've staged one holding action after another, sometimes winning, sometimes losing, always demanding that their members give more money to counter the next threat. Yet in no case has any significant restriction on the right to own and carry weapons ever been repealed, overturned, nullified, or otherwise disposed of.

The last three decades of legal and historical scholarship are solidly on the side of an unavoidable individual right to own and carry weapons. Moreover, weapons in the hands of individuals drastically reduce crime -- and increasingly, ordinary people know it. And yet, although millions -- possibly billions -- of dollars have been donated throughout a culture-war lasting almost a century, and countless man-hours expended lobbying, electioneering, and haranguing from soapboxes, newspapers, TV, and radio, there's no record of any of these supposedly pro-gun groups even trying to roll those 25,000 laws back.

Read the Second Amendment for yourself. Learn what the Founders wrote about it, or just apply common sense: what would a group of rebels (who'd just defeated the most powerful and ruthless empire in the world) have wanted the Second Amendment to mean? Did they want to make sure the new government had guns (which victim disarmers have ludicrously suggested) or did they want to make sure the government would never have an unstoppable power to oppress its people the way the King tried to do?

Understanding the Founders' intentions, we can safely say that not one of America's gun laws is constitutional. In their view, and that of Supreme Court justices and other judges from the 18th century to the 21st, each of them is null and void.

Legal and historical scholarship, and the practical benefits of an armed citizenry, demonstrate that victim disarmament isn't just a bad idea, it's the worst possible idea for a free society. The concept is defeated and discredited. Its proponents have nothing left but lies and brute force. Still, governments gone bad (as ours did at least half a century ago) desperately need weapons registration -- and the confiscation that invariably follows -- if they are to go about their business of "reducing us under absolute despotism".

STEP TWO: ADJUST YOUR ATTITUDE

Our challenge to other pro-gun groups is this: abandon a strategy doomed to defeat; acknowledge that not one of the 25,000 gun laws in America is legal under the Second Amendment; embrace the goal that should have been adopted in the first place: work toward ending victim disarmament completely and forever.

Anyone who doubts the ultimate aim of "background checks", of gun, and gun-owner registration in any form, should ask unfortunate gun owners in California, Illinois, and, recently, New Jersey, where police have begun going door-to-door (as the Nazis did in Germany) with registration lists, demanding that guns be turned over to them.
In New Jersey, if you fail to comply, your home and your business will be seized, without any "due process of law" . The FBI illegally retains the results of "Brady" background checks -- which they were expressly forbidden to do under the law as written -- and America's corrupt police state courts have backed them up. The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has been computerizing the records (Form 4473s) of gun dealers who've gone out of business for years. Why should they do that, unless they plan to turn the whole country into New Jersey and start going door-to-door?

It isn't enough just to militarize the police until -- in weapons, tactics, and objectives -- they can't be told from the black-clad storm troopers mindlessly serving state terrorism in today's Europe. Their innocent victims of the productive class must be stripped of all defenses in advance, helpless to resist no matter how evil or illegal the aims of the state, forced to grovel face-down in the dirt, cursed, bludgeoned, spat upon, and kicked at the whim of the police and their masters. And if they raise a hand, they're shot, dozens of times, by ski-masked cowards wielding guns forbidden to ordinary people, in violation of the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights.

STEP THREE: LEARN THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS

This is what America has come to. The question is what will we do about it? And before we answer, there's even worse news. An historic correlation exists between victim disarmament on the one hand, and racism and social prejudice on the other. Most of America's 25,000 gun laws were originally passed to disarm -- and disenfranchise -- some economic, social, or ethnic class that those in power were afraid of.

New York's 1911 Sullivan Act was written to take the means of self-defense from the hands of Italians and Jews. (Earlier laws tended to disarm the Irish.) The Federal Firearms Acts of 1934 and 1937 relied on fear of Italian gangsters (although many famous criminals of the time had names like Barker, Dillinger, Lansky, Schultz, Floyd, Parker, and Barrow). When the 1968 Gun Control Act became law, America's inner cities were in flames, and while white politicians publicly stroked leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr., they did their best to disarm his people.

Recent laws against semiautomatic weapons that strike ignorant politicians as "ugly" , and laws against magazines deemed, with equal ignorance, "too large" , started in California, where the perceived problem was Asian and Hispanic street gangs. The infamous Brady law never stood a chance until male politicians, many of them Republicans -- and left-wing females willing to betray the feminist cause, along with the rights and safety of their own sex -- suddenly noticed that women owned a majority of the handguns in America, and in certain jurisdictions -- Orlando, Florida and Toledo, Ohio, among them -- had put a virtual stop to the crime of rape.

Rooted in race prejudice and class hatred though it may be, victim disarmament has an uglier face. Documents exist proving that Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut had the Gun Control Act of 1968 copied from the gun laws of Nazi Germany -- ominous in light of the fact that, historically, genocide is always preceded by sweeping gun laws and weapons confiscation.

STEP FOUR: AVOID PITFALLS

A regrettable fact of human nature is that, sooner or later, any group created for a specific purpose begins acting like an independent organism, pursuing its own interests at the expense of the purpose for which it was created. A tragic example is the United States itself, established to enshrine individual liberty, and gradually perverted, over 200 years, into protecting "national security" and "overriding interests of the state" at the expense of everything else.

Nowhere is this more evident than with groups that claim to defend the Second Amendment (those that weren't created simply to provide their officers with comfortable salaries). Obsessed with wheeling and dealing, using other people's rights as bargaining chips, feeling important at Beltway cocktail parties, and making trade-offs that somehow always turn out to be damaging to the individual right to own and carry weapons, they have forgotten what they were all about.

Tangled in philosophical contradictions, unwilling even to attempt getting rid of existing laws, the leaders of such groups have become more interested in suppressing competition and consolidating power, than in educating members who would throw them out if they knew the truth. Clubbed into submission by viciously slanted coverage by media slavishly devoted to socialism, they eventually give in to compromise and defeatism, having also forgotten Sun Tzu's first principle, that all that's needed to defeat an enemy is to convince him -- before the battle begins -- that he's already lost.

Why haven't these groups warned their members that they have no legal right to police protection? Or reminded them why we fought a Revolution? Or shown them how blind faith in government is a fatal mistake; that this government, no longer any different from the king the Founders rejected in the 18th century, is capable of doing extremely nasty things -- things like the Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres, the violent mistreatment of the World War I Bonus Marchers, the wrongful imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, the genocidal Operation Keelhaul, Kent State, the MOVE bombing, Ruby Ridge, and what happened at Waco. Why do they let events like Oklahoma City and Columbine High become leverage for more victim disarmament? Why don't they encourage their members to do something really dangerous -- like think for themselves? Why, instead, do we always get more treacherous buckram wheeling and dealing -- such as their secret approval and eventual acceptance of unconstitutional travesties like the Gun Control Act of 1968 or the current oppressive National "Instant" Check System?

STEP FIVE: ELIMINATE SELF-DEFEAT

It's important to know your enemy, and even more important to know yourself, your limitations and strengths. Bound only by the laws of physics, people can do almost anything they want. They can fly like a bird, break the sound barrier, even go to the Moon. But people didn't get to the Moon by holding their arms over their heads and fending it off. Certain objectives simply can't be achieved defensively. Second Amendment advocates have always made this error, and it will finish them off unless they change.

A few years ago, one of the authors was a regular guest on a radio talk show. Callers, even the host himself, were fond of complaining about the horrible things government had done to them in the past, the horrible things government was doing to them now, and the horrible things government was about to do to them in the future. If the guest offered them good news, or pointed them toward something they could do to change their condition, they bitterly resented it.

Complaining is not the same as acting. It's not even an acceptable substitute -- although it's easier and less risky than actually trying to do something. If you paralyze yourself with depressing forecasts of doom, then of course you'll lose. And you'll deserve to. If you're serious about putting an end to victim disarmament, understand that it's only one symptom of a cancer called socialism that afflicts our civilization -- and you can't fight cancer by complaining about it or limiting your treatment to its symptoms.

Shuck your victim identity today.

STEP SIX: KNOW THE REAL ENEMY

Understand, too, that there's no such thing as a "liberal" . It's a word socialists use to evade being properly identified. And no wonder: socialism is nothing more than a cheap attempt, philosophically and politically, to justify rape, robbery, and murder on a scale Attila the Hun never dreamed of.

In a way, that's good. To those who don't think much about it, taking guns away from everyone but the army and police may sound like a fine idea. The Germans who elected Hitler thought it was. But it's harder for the other side, the socialist side, to make rape, robbery and murder attractive to the average individual.

Since the Soviet collapse, the new world center for socialism is the United Nations, no less an enemy of everything worthwhile in the western world than Hitler and Stalin were. The UN admits openly that it wants to obliterate the American Constitution -- especially the Bill of Rights, with emphasis on the Second Amendment. What it wants to substitute for it is a dictatorial world government. (Emphasis mine)

Sovereign nations are like watertight compartments in a ship. When one becomes "flooded" by dictatorship, victim disarmament, and the mass killings that inevitably follow, others remain free, provided their geographical and psychological "bulkheads" remain sound. They act as a refuge for those who escape the "flooded" compartments. Socialists know this, of course. That's why they strive to establish a world government nobody can escape from.

Why do we tolerate the presence of this declared enemy of liberty on American soil? Without a doubt, that will become one of the most important political questions of the 21st century.

Defenders of the Bill or Rights have always been too polite. It's one reason we're in this mess. Victim disarmament causes thousands of injuries and deaths a year, many times the number of injuries and deaths claimed for the weapons themselves. Victim disarmers know this, and therefore must be evil, stupid, insane, or unbelievably mentally lazy to go on demanding it.

Privately-owned guns are used to take 30,000 lives a year (some in perfectly justified acts of self-defense, three quarters of them suicides). Guns are used to save more than 2,500,000 people from injury or death every year. Socialist victim disarmers would sacrifice the 2,500,000 in a futile effort to save the 30,000. That's crazy -- and there are mental health experts who agree. Victim disarmers are people, largely, who project their own mental and emotional shortcomings onto others. They would never trust themselves with a gun, but they can't admit that, so they convert their mistrust of themselves into mistrust of others.

Rosie O'Donnel, one of the country's foremost advocates of victim disarmament -- who has demanded that anyone who owns a gun should be locked up, yet travels with heavily-armed bodyguards -- recently admitted that she's fought severe depression for decades, and is medicated for it. Yet she believes that everybody else ought to be forced to accept her dictatorial and demented judgment.

What about those who parrot Rosie's sentiments? Do they also have mental problems? Should people who have mental problems be making public policy that negatively impacts your ability to save your life or the lives of your loved ones?

Whatever they are, victim disarmers are not concerned neighborhood moms with whom you've amiably agreed to disagree. They're 50-year-old white males, mostly, more than a third of whom own guns themselves. They're enemies of freedom who don't mind if you're beaten up, jailed, and murdered "under color of law" for exercising your rights. Their government representatives are criminals who took a solemn oath to uphold the Constitution, including the Second Amendment, but violate it every day, every hour they scheme to assault the Bill of Rights. They're the bad guys, lying, thieving parasites who'd rather see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand. They can't be argued with or made to see the truth. They can't be reasoned out of beliefs they were never reasoned into. They can only be defeated.

This is not the polite democratic debate socialists would have us believe it is. We're the good guys, legitimate heirs of the Founding Fathers. If we win, for the most part nothing will change. You'll keep your guns. All government records of them will be destroyed. It'll be easier to buy more if you want, in the kind of anonymity the Founders regarded as essential (freedom isn't secure if government knows who has all the guns) for the Second Amendment to work.

If the socialists win, thousands of innocents will be assaulted, imprisoned, and killed -- along with thousands of their would-be oppressors -- as government attempts to enforce unconstitutional laws. Thousands more will die because they no longer have the means to defend themselves against ordinary criminals.

STEP SEVEN: DEVELOP GRIM DETERMINATION

To end the kind of victim disarmament that annoys you most, you must end all victim disarmament. To end all victim disarmament, you must end all violations of the Bill of Rights, even those you may quietly approve of. To end all violations of the Bill of Rights, you must end all forms of socialism.
Socialists got us where they want us by offering us "candy" -- social security, national health insurance, federal highways, national parks, public shooting ranges. As painful as it may be, it's time for America to go on a diet.

Get your family and friends -- and yourself -- out of denial regarding their fear of government. Although at some level they know better -- everybody saw what happened at Waco -- they want government to be their friend, and despite the evidence, they've tried to convince themselves it is. The Founding Fathers knew better than that; they'd be horrified today.

Next time you start to write your congressman, remember: constant petitioning of politicians gives them more power. Don't beg -- throw away those Monica Lewinski knee pads -- don't be polite. If you must write, tell them that if they won't enforce the Bill of Rights, you'll do your best to see that their next job will be standing on a corner with a tin cup, selling pencils. (The tactic that works best with bureaucrats is to stand on their toes, grab them by the lapels, and scream up their nostrils.) Remind these government goblins of the limits on their power. Tell them your new "Zero Tolerance" is for police states and victim disarmament, and that they'd better get with the program, or go back to chasing ambulances, selling used cars, and flipping burgers.

If you can't do that, if you can't overcome the urge to grovel, you're a part of the problem.

One of the authors is Jewish. He says it's time for Americans of all faiths and ethnicity's to stand up to Jewish, black, and other minority politicians who've made a career blowing their noses on the Bill of Rights. Most Americans have been sensitive to and considerate of them because of unspeakable crimes committed against their people in the past. Now it's time to tell them that if they can't appreciate what America's done for them, after long, dark centuries of oppression and slaughter, if they really hate freedom so much, they should pack their bags and leave.

STEP EIGHT: MEMORIZE THESE FIVE POINTS

1. A holding action, no matter how prolonged, is doomed to defeat. You must decide to take the offensive and eliminate victim disarmament altogether and forever.

2. You can't defend one right by sacrificing another. Other people are going to do things with their lives you don't approve of, just as they're unlikely to approve of everything you do. Making criminals of them gives socialists a precedent for making a criminal of you.

3. You can't stay free -- or regain your freedom -- by exalting your oppressors, no matter how flashy their cars and uniforms may be.

4. You can't defend without attacking. Let the world know who the real enemies of liberty are, and that there's no such thing as a liberal.

5. And you must decide upon another kind of "Zero Tolerance" -- for compromise.

Do you disagree? Then let's see your blueprint.

STEP NINE: MAKE A NEW BEGINNING

It's impossible to change a nation's politics before you change its culture. Do that, and the politics will follow. America will enforce the Bill of Rights when it has a Bill of rights culture.

The best way to start is to celebrate December 15th in your family and community as Bill of Rights Day, making it fully equivalent with Independence Day. Take charge of the celebration yourself. Keep it out of the hands of politicians and the media. Next time some socialist complains that "only America allows people to own guns" , tell him that's because only America has a Bill of Rights to keep us from being slaves. The Bill of Rights is what makes America different from other countries, it's the one thing that keeps America from becoming the world's largest banana republic.

STEP TEN: ENVISION THE FUTURE YOU WANT

Socialists have made us waste our lives, spend decades defending rights that were supposedly guaranteed. Consciously or unconsciously, everyone carries a picture of the future in his head. Until now, it's been the picture socialists want us to carry, of a gradual, inevitable loss of our rights. If you feel strangely disturbed or embarrassed at the notion of ending victim disarmament, that's what they did to you and it's time to get it fixed.

Begin by carrying a new picture of the future in your head, one of a nation that celebrates and enforces the Bill of Rights, where you can afford to enjoy your life instead of using it up fighting tyranny.

Striking through your opponent is a vital part of the martial arts. Thinking through to the future, seeing beyond the victory of freedom, is vital to that struggle, as well.

The novel HOPE, by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith, paints a picture of a future where the Bill of Rights is energetically and stringently enforced. To get a copy postage paid for $14.95 -- or for additional resources and information regarding points covered in this article -- please contact: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership at http://www.jpfo.org, call toll free (800) 869-1884, or write to

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214 posted on 02/10/2004 8:24:05 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Jarhead_22
Sorry but I believe many of those screeching anti-Bush sentiments are indeed RAT operatives.

Most of the Bush supporters do not "march in lockstep" with him no matter what. Most have disagreements with him over several issues. But most also understand something his enemies don't, there will be no man who is 100% acceptable to them.

There is nothing wrong with opposing him or even working to bring him down but to do so with the certain knowledge that any successor will be worse seems to be madness no matter how it is framed. Since it seems to be madness and people around here are not mad it means to me that they are not honest and, since they are doing the work of the RATmedia, are likely RAT operatives.
215 posted on 02/10/2004 8:29:39 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Lazamataz
automatic ammunition clips

?????? What the heck is that? Cluelessness reigns supreme in the lamestream press.

216 posted on 02/10/2004 8:30:00 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Monty22
Either way, he's taking a chnace. The last election was decided by a hair.

Based on recent polls, the next one will be no better.
217 posted on 02/10/2004 8:32:42 AM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR JOE MCCARTHY!!!)
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To: Big Mack
I cannot understand a strategy which is designed to fail. Gun owners and those who support the RtKaBA who employ the "defeat Bush to show THEM a lesson" strategy are apparently oblivious to the clear FACT that doing so will make things far worse in every area they are concerned with.

Look at states like California, NY, Il. where the gungrabbes are in full sway, how are the citizens there better off for not electing politicians who are not TOTALLY in agreement with the 2d amendment fans' beliefs but rather those who are TOTALLY against those beliefs? Yet, you are arguing that we will be better off if this happens on the federal level? This does not compute.
218 posted on 02/10/2004 8:36:50 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Mikey
Mr. Smith really let me down when he sided with the anti-war pacifist libertarians out there. Kind of unusual considering his stance on self defense.

I DO like his take on the Second Amendment though.

219 posted on 02/10/2004 8:39:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No it won't. Can you say filabuster? But it won't even get out of the House so a filabuster won't be necessary.

The gun industry liability protection bill has already gotten out of the House (on 4/9/2003 @ 5:46pm). The Senate version will contain the ban, and then in conferance the ban will be retained, and the bill adopted by unanamous consent (so nobody in the House has to have a recorded vote for the ban) in both houses, probably at about 2 AM.

220 posted on 02/10/2004 8:39:55 AM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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