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A Loss for Words
Boston Globe ^ | 2/8/2004 | By John Powers

Posted on 02/11/2004 9:05:10 PM PST by Russian Sage

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Americans may mean what they say, but they can't always summon the language to say what they mean.

I don't know how many times I've heard it, or read it, even in this newspaper: "The proof is in the pudding." "No, it isn't," I want to scream. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." Cervantes wrote that four centuries ago. And don't get me started about having your cake and eating it, too. You have to have your cake in order to eat it. The trick is to eat it and still have it.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cliches; language; livid; momentarily; pudding; transpire
From Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: tran·spire
Pronunciation: tran(t)-'spIr
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tran·spired; tran·spir·ing
Etymology: Middle French transpirer, from Latin trans- + spirare to breathe
transitive senses : to pass off or give passage to (a fluid) through pores or interstices; especially : to excrete (as water) in the form of a vapor through a living membrane (as the skin)
intransitive senses
1 : to give off vaporous material; specifically : to give off or exude watery vapor especially from the surfaces of leaves
2 : to pass in the form of a vapor from a living body
3 a : to be revealed : come to light b : to become known or apparent : DEVELOP
4 : to take place : GO ON, OCCUR
usage Sense 4 of transpire is the frequent whipping boy of those who suppose sense 3 to be the only meaning of the word. Sense 4 appears to have developed in the late 18th century; it was well enough known to have been used by Abigail Adams in a letter to her husband in 1775 <there is nothing new transpired since I wrote you last -- Abigail Adams>. Noah Webster recognized the new sense in his dictionary of 1828. Transpire was evidently a popular word with 19th century journalists; sense 4 turns up in such pretentiously worded statements as "The police drill will transpire under shelter to-day in consequence of the moist atmosphere prevailing." Around 1870 the sense began to be attacked as a misuse on the grounds of etymology, and modern critics echo the damnation of 1870. Sense 4 has been in existence for about two centuries; it is firmly established as standard; it occurs now primarily in serious prose, not the ostentatiously flamboyant prose typical of 19th century journalism.

1 posted on 02/11/2004 9:05:11 PM PST by Russian Sage
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To: Russian Sage
I don't know how many times I've heard it, or read it, even in this newspaper: "The proof is in the pudding." "No, it isn't," I want to scream. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."

God, this drives me nuts. Glad to see that somebody else remembers, anyway.

What people have forgotten is that "prove" properly means "to test". Hence military proving grounds, where weapons are tested. So the proof of the pudding is in the eating, because it's only by eating the pudding that you can test it.

2 posted on 02/11/2004 9:20:46 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (You keep nasty chips.)
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To: Russian Sage
Leave it up to a pretentious peasant to sink to new heights.
3 posted on 02/11/2004 9:30:49 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: SedVictaCatoni
And fix means to make fast which means to put tightly in place no matter how long it takes or whether it is broken in the first place.
4 posted on 02/11/2004 9:33:48 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Russian Sage
"Otherwise, we'll find ourselves in Wonderland, debating what the meaning of "is" is with the Caterpillar."

Where has this writer been? We have already had a national debate on the meaning of "is".
5 posted on 02/11/2004 9:36:57 PM PST by kuma
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To: Russian Sage
read later
6 posted on 02/11/2004 9:41:45 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Russian Sage
I could care less.

<]B^)

7 posted on 02/11/2004 9:49:36 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: Russian Sage
Republic, not Democracy
Leftist, not Liberal
Communist, not Progressive
Judge, not Hand down Justice
Toleration of other's faiths, not Equivalancy of all beliefs
Semi-automatic, not Assualt rifle
Two decent guns and one old one that belonged to dad, not Arms cache
Property not made inviting, not Compound
Traditional heritage, not Right wing extremist
8 posted on 02/11/2004 9:56:19 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Russian Sage
I'm just afraid that it's evolving in the wrong direction -- toward ambiguity, vagueness, jargon.

As any linguist knows, language is becoming ever more abstract. Our environment is becoming more abstract, as we in cyberspace can attest.

And don't get me started about having your cake and eating it, too. You have to have your cake in order to eat it. The trick is to eat it and still have it.

He's missing the poetic quality of the expression. Imposing a timeline is a distraction. To Keats the common usage was hunky dory [Etymology: obsolete English dialect hunk (home base) + -dory (origin unknown)]

But for Manifesto purposes, the Unabomber wrote "eat your cake and have it too," (one of the clues that tipped off his presumably commonist brother).

I would call Powers a pedant, but he would take that to mean: obsolete : a male schoolteacher, and I don't think there are any male schoolteachers.

9 posted on 02/11/2004 10:19:45 PM PST by monkey
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To: KC Burke
BUMP
10 posted on 02/11/2004 10:36:14 PM PST by spodefly (Fulfill your civic responsibilities -- vote for the lesser of two evils.)
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To: Russian Sage
Less than 200 years ago the word "fellow" was a fighting word.
11 posted on 02/11/2004 11:40:46 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Agnes Heep
How about the use of "impact" as a verb?
12 posted on 02/12/2004 1:19:57 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Russian Sage
What if a few phrases fall between the cracks? I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.
13 posted on 02/12/2004 4:08:50 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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