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NO-GO: Bush wanted to fly in Vietnam, colonel says
Journal Now ^ | 2/14/04

Posted on 02/14/2004 4:58:08 AM PST by areafiftyone

A former senior Virginia Air National Guard commander, who served with George W. Bush in the Texas Air Guard, says that Bush looked into volunteering for Vietnam combat service but was told he did not have the required flight experience.

William J. Campenni, a retired Air Guard colonel, also said that such absences as Bush's from his unit were common in the Air Guard during the period of Bush's service and still are.

He and Bush were young lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron of the Texas Air Guard from 1970 to 1971, Campenni said, serving under the same flight and squadron commanders, both of whom are now dead.

Campenni, 63, lives in Herndon, Va., and has participated in Republican Party politics in Northern Virginia. He retired as an Air Force pilot in 1998, last flying with the 192nd Fighter Wing based at Richmond International Airport.

According to Campenni, Bush inquired about participating in a volunteer program called Palace Alert that used Air National Guard pilots flying in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor jet in Vietnam.

The Air Guard advised Bush that he did not have the desired 500 hours of flight time as a pilot to qualify for Palace Alert duty, and, in any event, the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

"While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base," Campenni said in a letter to The Washington Times published this week, "we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch."

He said that a check of the 1970-71 records of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron "and any other (Air National Guard) squadron" would show "other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts."

Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard at Ellington Air Force Base in May 1968. In May 1972, records show that he received permission to perform nonflying duties in Alabama.

"(Excuses) for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders, as I later was, are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment," said Campenni, who spent 33 years in the Air National Guards of three states as his career as an aerospace engineer took him around the country.

At the time that Bush went to Alabama, his unit in Houston was transitioning from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101 Voodoo. The change made it easier for the then-lieutenant to leave his Texas duties in 1972, Campenni said.

The mission switch "required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time, traditional reservists with outside employment," he said. Bush was a part-time Guard member, as most Guard airmen are.

"The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous," Campenni said.

"Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up," he said, "because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore."

Bush, who was working on a political campaign in Alabama, was assigned temporarily to a unit in Montgomery, Ala. Democrats have said that there is no proof that Bush showed up for Air Guard duty there.

During the Vietnam War era, many men saw joining the National Guard as a means of avoiding combat duty. American political leaders avoided mobilizing the hometown units for duty in the Southeast Asian war.

"There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft," Campenni said, "and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members."

Air Guard pilot duty required up to 2 1/2 years of active-duty service for training, he said. Draftees served for two years, overwhelmingly in the Army.

Air National Guard units began flying supply missions in Vietnam in 1965, and the Air Guard was mobilized twice during the Vietnam War. Guard aviators in five squadrons flying the F-100 Super Sabre fighter-bomber were called up for duty in Vietnam in 1968.

"Avoiding service?" Campenni said. "Yeah, tell that to those guys."

Simply flying tactical military aircraft is dangerous, he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bush; campenni; militaryrecord; nationalguard
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This needs to be sent to every mainstream media outlet.
1 posted on 02/14/2004 4:58:09 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Isn't this a hoot? 43 can't get enough info out, and everything that comes out backs him up.

But who does the press defend? John Kerry, the master of the non-denial denial, who at present seems to be in hiding after sending his presstitute on the lam.

Go figure.

2 posted on 02/14/2004 5:00:29 AM PST by mewzilla
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3 posted on 02/14/2004 5:02:24 AM PST by jla
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To: areafiftyone
This needs to be sent to every mainstream media outlet.

They've seen this and they will ignor it...somebody doesn't want this BOGUS AWOL story to go away!!

4 posted on 02/14/2004 5:15:13 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: areafiftyone
In 1972, I had friends/compatriots in the RVN who were Air Force Academy grads (firm five year obligation after graduation from AFA) who were given "early outs" - even cutting short their one year commitments from the combat zone.

With RVN involvement winding down, military services manpower requirements were in a down slope. Excess pilots were allowed to leave even though they had incurred an active service obligation due to extra training if they could find a firm spot in a Guard/Reserve unit. Lesser experienced "rated" airmen in those units were pushed aside (i.e., into any available support rather than flying billets) to make room for the more experienced (often highly decorated) flyers.
5 posted on 02/14/2004 5:17:39 AM PST by NutmegDevil
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To: areafiftyone
CBS just showed, from last night's paper dump, paper work where Bush checked a box that specifically ask if he wanted to volunteer for Vietnam.

The no box was checked.
6 posted on 02/14/2004 5:20:25 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: areafiftyone
This needs to be sent to every mainstream media outlet.

This story was disproven and dead in 2000. The media doesn't care. They'll dig it up and parade it around again in 2004 and hope no one notices the stink.

7 posted on 02/14/2004 5:25:10 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: areafiftyone
Some of you are wondering why Bush is keeping the National Guard story alive by almost daily releasing new information for the media. With out new stuff the story dies. Bush is keeping it alive... Why?

Here is my take on the situation

8 posted on 02/14/2004 5:27:18 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: Bluntpoint
So? Since he knew there was no room, why check it?
9 posted on 02/14/2004 5:28:58 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: NutmegDevil
Fox News is running the AWOL story like crazy. They are obsessed with it. I can't believe this.
10 posted on 02/14/2004 5:34:18 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: mewzilla
Or maybe this is why Bush has not stated that he volunteered for Vietnam.
11 posted on 02/14/2004 5:36:51 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: areafiftyone
Hanoi John and his top advisor discuss how to BRIDGE the bad news that their smear on Bush and the National Guard backfired:
12 posted on 02/14/2004 5:37:13 AM PST by jrlc
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To: areafiftyone
Col Campenni's 20-minute appearance on yesterday's C-SPAN Washington Journal via RealPlayer (It is in the 3-hour segment but they have it in a separate package further down the page):

Col. William Campenni (Ret.), Air Nat'l Guard (1965-'98)

Col. William Campenni (Ret.), Air Nat'l Guard (1965-'98), discusses his service in the Texas Air National Guard with President Bush.
2/13/2004: WASHINGTON, DC: 20 min.

13 posted on 02/14/2004 5:38:51 AM PST by leadpenny ((( A Vietnam Vet Who Is Not Fonda Kerry )))
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To: Common Tator
How long does it take to learn to fly a jet fighter? How long does it take to learn to drive a boat? I can learn to pilot most boats in a few hours. When it comes to pilot a jet fighter I would say years and then maybe never. I know it would be scary on a boat in combat, but I would prefer that to being on the ground as a grunt.
14 posted on 02/14/2004 5:43:59 AM PST by Big Horn (A waist is a terrible thing to mind.)
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To: areafiftyone
I would love to see hundreds (or dare I hope, thousands) of people who were in the Guard back then who have similar "absences" come forward, challenging the democrats to accuse them of being AWOL.

How about it Freepers? Anybody out there with a similar background in the NG?
15 posted on 02/14/2004 5:49:49 AM PST by alnick
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To: Common Tator
"Rove's polls must show the National Guard attacks to be counter productive or Bush would not be dignifying it by keeping it in the news with new releases every day."

Agreed. This story keeps Chris Matthews, Nora O'Donnell, and the entire CNN gang flogging a non-issue minute-by-minute, all the while dumbfounding voters who are tired of the whole thing and wondering why they are pounding on this and noticing that

not one of the left-wing is offering SOLUTIONS and the step-by-step way of solving anything.

Talked to bro in DC last night and his inside is that the democrats have ticked off an entire voting block of indys and military.

Keep it up.
16 posted on 02/14/2004 5:55:33 AM PST by OpusatFR (Search Google for your posting name. Get a suprise!)
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To: areafiftyone
This needs to be sent to every mainstream media outlet.

Doesn't matter. The ones who support the President would print it (usually smaller papers in areas that tend to support President Bush anyway), the ones that doen't (large urban papers), wouldn't.

IMHO, all this focus on what Bush, Kerry, etc. did during the Vietnam era is a waste of time. I don't think most people are going to vote based on what people did 30 years ago. Clinton was elected despite his behavior during the Vietnam era.

Most of us did our share of "stupid things" when we were in our late teens and early 20s - except those of us who are still in that age range and still making the mistakes of the young. Maybe not stupid things, but things we wouldn't want people judging us on today.

Most of us who've reached middle age or older like to think we've "grown up" a bit since then. Some of us have had religious conversions since then, and would not want people thinking we are still the same person as before that experience.

I think all the candidates have enough recent history to judge them on, and going back to their youth is a waste of time at best, and could be counterproductive for most.

17 posted on 02/14/2004 6:08:58 AM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: Bluntpoint
Yeah, sure, but that was after he learned that he didn't have the hours and the F-102s were being phased out of service in Vietnam. Did they happen to mention that? They know the story well, but leave it to the press to show their bias. Maurice Udell, the man who trained Bush on the plane, is quoted as saying Bush asked about the Palace Alert program for service in Vietnam and was told he didn't have the hours required, so it's consistent. So the question is when that paperwork was filled out because he was told no.
18 posted on 02/14/2004 6:11:47 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: areafiftyone
Air Guard pilot duty required up to 2 1/2 years of active-duty service for training, he said. Draftees served for two years, overwhelmingly in the Army.

Actually if you went to Vietnam you could complete your active duty obligation in 19 months. I did it in 21.

19 posted on 02/14/2004 6:12:35 AM PST by js1138
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To: areafiftyone
This needs to be sent to every mainstream media outlet lamebrain media toilet.

Don't thank me, I enjoy improving a post! :)

20 posted on 02/14/2004 6:12:44 AM PST by LibKill (My sigil: Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.)
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