Explosive Story: GOP has asked British SS to bug phones of American political candidates!

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

FOX NEWS 11:25am EST 2-15-2004

Fox news is interviewing John Loftus, Formers Justice Department Prosectutor who states that he has an inside scoop that "the Republican Party has asked the British Secret Service to bug phones of American political Candidates. "

FOX NEWS Eric Shawn: "It's a very serious and very shocking story."

JOHN LOFTUS: "That allegation seems very storng of that is the case. Why would any political party want to bug someone else?

It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt. He had signed a secret treaty with Britian in 1943 that let them each set up listening posts on each other's soil with no search warrants. It's a great little scheme. "

"So the British can use American computers to bug American politicians, and the Americans can use British computers to bug British politicians and each side can truthfully say that they aren't spying on their own citizens. They are just trading information under the table."

ERIC: How widespread is this. Members of the Security Council admitted to me that they are being bugged and that it wasn't surprising, they expected that.

JOHN: "What congress doesn't realise is that this is meant to favor one party only. In 1978 Carter tried to ban taping without a court order. So the bill is that the NSA cannot target american citizens, but not other countries from doing it. "

[Galtoid]

All's fair in love and war (politics).

[steve50]

Reeks of Watergate. If true it should have the same result.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Somehow I don't think most freepers would agree with you (at least if the shoe was on the other foot).

[Eala]

Why would any political party want to bug someone else? It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt.

And was never a story until now. Hmmmmmmm.....

[Agent Smith]

This is NEWS? I guess it maybe, if you have been living under a rock for a few decades. I am sure that all of Klintoon's phone sex with Monica L. is on a secure hard drive in England. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

CONTINUING ( I am typing this from TIVO, so these are word for word )

JOHN: " American computers record every long distance phone call everywhere in America all day. Targeting means that they sift through that haystack to find the needle. They program it to search for a democratic candidate's voice and retrieve all conversations. The British foreign liaison information cannot be shared with congress, because of the 1943 law. So the democrats don't know that the British are listening to all of their phone calls. They old spy base used to be at 218 Pennsylvania Ave, and it was moved to the Canadian Embassy right opposite of Capitol Hill. Because on the west side of the capitol are where all the offices are with views of the Washington Monument. "

ERIC: " We hear about all this spying and alleged spying and I am sure that we will be hearing about more "..


End of segment

[tet68]

Interesting timeing ?

[Delta 21]

Members of the Security Council

It must be the sh!t detail to have to filter thru the uns "intelligence"

[mabelkitty]

This may have more to do with foreign funds coming in from overseas via Great Britain.

I'd like to hear more.

[In_25_words_or_less]

Reeks of Watergate. If true it should have the same result.

If the Dems do it too this story will wither and go away.

[Eala]

Next Scandal? :

I was just watching an interview on Fox News and this journalist was on a segment which they call "The Scoop" with Eric Shaun. Anyway, the man he was interviewing said he was going to break a story this week that the Republican Party is having the United Kingdom bug/tap phones at the DNC and their candidates. Apparently there is a loophole that allows the UK to do it for us and for us to do it for him but he is going to spread out more evidence that this is going on right now.

I expect this to become the next media feeding fenzy.

Anything to avoid the Kerry story...?

[cripplecreek]

Some seem to be getting awfully excited about a rumor.

[blam]

"And was never a story until now. Hmmmmmmm....."

The strategy is obviously to keep Bush on the defensive by making wild accusations that he must defend against...even if they're untrue. Most people will hear the accusation but not the rebuttal.

[dirtboy]

Here's my take on what the "logic" of this story will be:

Echelon in the UK monitors all US calls.

The DNC makes phone calls in the US.

Therefore, Echelon is monitoring the DNC.

The White House has access to Echelon intercepts.

The White House is run by a GOP president.

Therefore, the GOP is telling the UK to bug the DNC.

Whereas, the reality is that this stuff has been going on for decades, and is independent of the GOP and the Dems, other than our reps keep allowing it to happen.

[steve50]

If the Dems do it too this story will wither and go away.

If the dems do it too both parties should be voted out.

[WHBates]

o the Brits have such a thing called a secret service?? sounds odd to me.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Please wake me when this election is over.

[American_Centurion]

This shyster is trolling for publicity!

http://www.john-loftus.com/default.asp

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Sure the British have a Secret Service.

Don't you watch James Bond?

[In_25_words_or_less]

If the dems do it too both parties should be voted out.

I don't disagree. Just pointing out how the liberal press will drop the story if it soils Dems too.

[hobson]

This guy is a hack. He's the one who promotes the much-loved BFEE(Bush Family Evil Empire) conspiracy at DU.

[mrsmith]

LOL! Yeah they sent George H. Bush over on a secret CIA plane to arrange the recordings.

"Even though there is no credible evidence, these charges are so serious they must be investigated! ...Too!" _{TM DNCFAX}

[jraven]

I love when someone writes "all's fair in love and war" -- so in other words we go after everyone using sleazy tactics that clearly are sleazy or there would be no trouble admitting it, right? Then if the other side does something we wrap ourselves in history and principle and say it's shocking. I guess I mistakenly thought us conservatives stood for PRINCIPLEs...but I'm wrong seeing the size of our budget, people sitting back on the new immigration amnesty, and going along with the prescription drug plan. Principle is out the window if we condone this. And if the it is confirmed and the Democrats use it, it's good for the country that it comes out and is stopped. I think the new rule is: whatever the president says is right because he's our man. Whatever the president does is right, because he's our man. If it violates the written and unwritten rules in our democracy, it's all right, because he's our man. If it goes totally against conservative philosphy, it's all right because he's our man. I wish there was a third party in this country that believed in principle since I increasingly think I'll stay home and microwave left over pizza on election day.

[Pikamax]

sheesh, this guy is a regular tinfoiler


John's Latest Projects

Loftus explores Bush-Nazi scandal (posted 12/11/03)
Loftus Views on Secrecy: In response to a coded note from an anonymous spy
CNN Interview: Convicted Spy Challenges Life Term - 9/2/03 (posted 10/7/03)
Why Loftus serves on pro-Muslim boards
Palast article on Bush Sr - Al Qaeda coverup (posted 8/17/03)
The Truth About Jonathan Pollard (posted 8/17/03)
Pipeline of Hatred: Presentation of interest about Anti-Semitism
Read a review on John's Book "The Secret War Against the Jews"
Loftus vindicated by Al Arian arrest - 2/20/03
John's Press Release on the Saudis
What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11

[Renegade]

And I suppose the missing FBI files with the Hildebeast's prints on them wasn't Watergate material ??

[American_Centurion]

OMG see these links under latest projects!

John's Latest Projects

Loftus explores Bush-Nazi scandal (posted 12/11/03) Loftus Views on Secrecy: In response to a coded note from an anonymous spy

CNN Interview: Convicted Spy Challenges Life Term - 9/2/03 (posted 10/7/03)

Why Loftus serves on pro-Muslim boards

Palast article on Bush Sr - Al Qaeda coverup (posted 8/17/03) The Truth About Jonathan Pollard (posted 8/17/03)

Pipeline of Hatred: Presentation of interest about Anti-Semitism

Read a review on John's Book "The Secret War Against the Jews"

Loftus vindicated by Al Arian arrest - 2/20/03

John's Press Release on the Saudis

What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11

[OldFriend]

First of all Loftus is a democrat.

Loftus is suing Saudi Arabia on behalf of some WTC victims. Therefore, every trail he finds always leads to Saudi Arabia.

He is often incorrect in his pronouncements.

[WHBates]

I guess they are using the term generically?

[u-89]

We (the US and the Brits) were supposedly tapping the UN during the run up to the war with Iraq too.

[DainBramage]

I thought most of the British Secret Service has assylum in Russia.

[Peach]

Why do we/you have two threads going currently about this matter?

Would you please ask the Lead Admin. to fix this?

[American_Centurion]

Fox is trolling the gutters to appear "fair and balanced" or their news director has lost his mind.

[sofaman]

I'm confused....

This is a rumor, an allegation..and Fox runs with it.

The Kerry rumor is just a rumor so they don't run with it...

et tu Fox?

[Peach]

Apologies - two threads - two different Freepers.

[elimination]

John Loftus serves on a pro-muslim board and from reading his website, he is not very pro-Bush.

[mewzilla]

If this is true, it had better be because the people involved are suspected of treason. If it isn't true, then FNC better bloody well find out who started this smear and why. And doesn't this qualify as a rumor, anyway? Didn't FNC just get through making perfectly clear on its Sunday show that FNC is not in the business of investigating rumor?

[steve50]

And I suppose the missing FBI files with the Hildebeast's prints on them wasn't Watergate material ??

Why would you suppose that. Unauthorized access to information would certainly be a crime in my book. I'm really getting tired of the "they all do it" routine tho. Is the only purpose of politics to place the party each side thinks is slightly less corrupt than the other in office?

[sinkspur]

Sounds like conspiracy bullshit, to me.

[johniegrad]

Why do we/you have two threads going currently about this matter? Would you please ask the Lead Admin. to fix this?

Agreed. Can we consolidate the threads? They are both moving quickly and it's difficult to follow both.

[killjoy]

Echelon in the UK monitors all US calls.

Echelon doesn't monitor voice, it monitors data.

[templar]

I think this is common (having a foreign government spy on American citizens to get around constitutional and legal considerations). I don't think there is anything illegal about it. Why would anyone object to the government violating no laws?

[JimSEA]

Thanks for posting the web site!! A short examination reveals this Loftus to bee a slimeball with a tin foil hat.

[steve50]

We (the US and the Brits) were supposedly tapping the UN during the run up to the war with Iraq too.

I hear the Brits are trying to put that whistleblower in jail. Seems reporting the crime is a more serious matter than performing it.

[mewzilla]

BTW, I think the sudden deluge of all this expletive-deleted makes it pretty clear to anyone with any brains at all that John Kerry is in some pretty deep kimchee.

[Austin Willard Wright]

No the government would never bug its opponents. Of coursse not!

[Wait4Truth]

Just so you know, Loftus thinks the Bush family is filled with Nazis and he also works with Bob Fertik, a known Clintonite...just want to give a bit of perspective here.

[dirtboy]

Echelon doesn't monitor voice, it monitors data.

It monitors both:

Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat to the privacy of people all over the world. According to these reports, ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.

[killjoy]

o the Brits have such a thing called a secret service?? sounds odd to me.

He is talking about GCHQ. They are very good at what they do. They are the British version of the American NSA.