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Do the Democrats Really Want to Talk About This?
USA Today via Powerline Blog ^ | Feb. 16, 2004 | Power Line Blog

Posted on 02/16/2004 12:54:27 PM PST by TheMole

We posted yesterday on the fact that the Democrats' groundless attack on President Bush's National Guard service may have the unintended effect of informing voters of the fact that Bush was, in fact, an excellent fighter pilot--a fact that has not been widely known.

USA Today has published lengthy extracts from the President's National Guard records; reader Ruth Solomon has performed the valuable service of transcribing the highlights of the PDF files that are available online.

In both 1971 and 1972, the President received top-notch evaluations, with most of his ratings in the highest category possible. Here is the narrative portion of the 1971 evaluation:

Lt Bush is an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot. After completing the F102 all weather interceptor school in November 1969, he came to this unit as a highly qualified fighter interceptor pilot. Lt Bush possesses sound judgement and is mature beyond his age and experience level. During the last weapons firing deployment, he delivered both primary and secondary weapons from the F102. Lt Bush performed in an outstanding manner, following the test projects requirement set forth. He also participated in a practice element deployment during annual field training. He was easily able to handle intercepts with varying geometries and tactics selection. He continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency further. Lt Bush is a natural leader but he is also a good follower of military discipline. Lt Bush has outstanding growth potential and should be promoted well ahead of his contemporaries.

And this is the narrative portion for 1972:

Lt Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer. He eagerly participates in scheduled unit activities. During the past year he participated in several target force deployments and an F-102 aircraft element deployment in Canada. His conduct and professional approach to the mission were clearly exemplary and apparent to observers. His skills as an interceptor pilot enabled him to complete all his ADC intercept missions during the Canadian deployment with ease.

OTHER COMMENTS: Lt Bush is very active in civic affairs in the community and manifests a deep interest in the operation of our government. He has recently accepted a position as a campaign manager for a candidate for United States Senate. He is a good representative of the military and the Air National Guard in the business world. His abilities and anticipated future assignments make him a valuable asset. He is a member of the National Guard Association of the United States and Texas.

Those last comments look pretty prescient.


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Interesting stuff for all. I was struck by the references to training in Canada, as I grew up close to a Canadian military base. It's actually quite reassuring to learn that GWB has travelled to Canada as a regular citizen and met normal Canadians (as opposed to present-day federal Liberal Party politicians and their lickspittle media).
1 posted on 02/16/2004 12:54:28 PM PST by TheMole
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To: TheMole; Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for posting this and PING!!!!
2 posted on 02/16/2004 12:56:35 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole
GOOD POST
3 posted on 02/16/2004 12:58:31 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
btt
4 posted on 02/16/2004 1:01:19 PM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: Alamo-Girl; amom; Grampa Dave; Brad's Gramma; JohnHuang2; Mia T; Sean Hannity; Jim Robinson; ...
Ping to an Outstanding F-102 Fighter Interceptor Pilot of the 111th F.I.S., 147th F.I.G., Texas A.N.G.(NORAD/ADCOM gained unit at that time), None other than Our Honorable President, President George W. Bush!!!!:-)
5 posted on 02/16/2004 1:03:04 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole
As a 20 year Air Force pilot myself I can tell you that these reports are absolutely standard language used for 95% of all new pilots. There's always 5% that don't get it! It indicates that Lt. Bush was doing a good job and had command of the particulars of his aircraft and mission. The inflated language is SOP. However, the public doesn't know this and will take these reports to indicate he was exceptional. LOL!
6 posted on 02/16/2004 1:03:23 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: TheMole
Good article.

I think many people were informed that the President was a fighter pilot yesterday by the President himself.

When NBC reporter asked if he would like to drive on the track the President responded:

"I flew fighters when I was in the Guard, and I like speed."
7 posted on 02/16/2004 1:03:30 PM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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To: TheMole
No. They just want to mention the lie often enough that it sticks with the American people. That's all that's required.
8 posted on 02/16/2004 1:05:28 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse (Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.)
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To: TheMole
Some visual aids are in order:


9 posted on 02/16/2004 1:05:48 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: jmstein7
Pinging you to a good article for a change!:-)
10 posted on 02/16/2004 1:06:20 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole
Bookmarked!!!!:-)
11 posted on 02/16/2004 1:09:36 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole; unspun
Great post! Thanks, TM!

unspun, just got your e-mail: Here's more on that subject for you!

12 posted on 02/16/2004 1:09:48 PM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: asformeandformyhouse
I've heard the "exceptional" phrase several times on FOX, once on CNN, and zero times on every other network.

The "exceptional," like the "honorable discharge," is considered the by the media and the left as unimportant background.
13 posted on 02/16/2004 1:12:43 PM PST by mwl1
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To: Arkie2
Same OER language for army, as I recall my husband discussing...standard stuff. Except for the " should be promoted well ahead of his contemporaries."

That phrase was always what set apart the finest from the best.

14 posted on 02/16/2004 1:15:01 PM PST by YaYa123 (@Bush Is Definitely A Hunk.com)
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To: Arkie2
For those who haven't seen one...

Presenting the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger. From what I understand, this was not the easiest plane in the world to fly. Tended to be rather unforgiving of mistakes. Can anyone confirm?

15 posted on 02/16/2004 1:15:15 PM PST by timpad ("We are thankful that Liberty has found such brave defenders" - W)
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To: timpad
Timpad, just to let you know, your photograph is of a YF-102, not an F-102. The redesigned YF-102A would break the sound barrier in a climb as well as level flight as well as the subsequent production F-102As'. The original YF-102s' as you have in your photograph would only bust the sound barrier in a dive not in level flight or a climb. The YF-102As' and susequent F-102As' were a whole different animal. Thanks for the YF-102 pic though.:-)
17 posted on 02/16/2004 1:22:32 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole
So now what reason does Kerry have for holding back the release of his military records?
18 posted on 02/16/2004 1:23:43 PM PST by Poincare
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To: imemind
They're wrong, I returned from Afghanistan and we did wipe out some of the enemy.
19 posted on 02/16/2004 1:27:46 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2
Timpad, just to let you know, your photograph is of a YF-102, not an F-102.

D'oh! my bad, grabbed the wrong pic, as the caption in the photo clearly states. Here's the F-102A:


20 posted on 02/16/2004 1:28:18 PM PST by timpad ("We are thankful that Liberty has found such brave defenders" - W)
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To: timpad
..not the easist plane in the world to fly..

Read it described on these boards as a "brick with fins".

21 posted on 02/16/2004 1:30:26 PM PST by MJemison
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To: imemind
So you're saying no National Guard units served in Vietnam? I wasn't aware of that.
22 posted on 02/16/2004 1:32:12 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: TheMole

George W. Bush during his service with the Texas Air National Guard. Bush was a pilot from 1968 to 1973.

Undated photo from the George Bush Presidential Library shows US President George W. Bush (L) as a former Texas Air National Guard fighter pilot undergoing training.

23 posted on 02/16/2004 1:33:48 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Samwise
That's why he looks so relaxed and natural in that flight suit, something that enrages all the chuckleheads over at DU who wouldn't know a G suit from a G string.

Speaking as a former USAF Flight surgeon who spent his time in the F4E, 70TFS, 347 Fighter Wing. W is Sierra Hotel.
24 posted on 02/16/2004 1:35:20 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: imemind
oops! 5 seconds on Google revealed this info. Looks like the Guard wasn't AWOL from the war after all!

The Air National Guard in Vietnam
(June 2000) - Air National Guard units began flying supply missions to Vietnam in 1965, and the Air Guard was mobilized twice during the Vietnam War.

Eleven squadrons were called up in January 1968 in response to the seizing of the U.S. Navy ship Pueblo by North Korea, and two tactical fighter squadrons were, the 166th (Ohio) and the 127th (Kansas) were sent to South Korea.

In May 1968 one aeromedical airservice group and two tactical fighter groups were federalized.

Four tactical fighter squadrons--the 120th (Colorado), 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and 136th (New York)--deployed to Vietnam. And although not a Guard unit, the Guard can claim credit for a fifth squadron, the 3755th: 85 percent of this tactical fighter squadron's personnel were Air Guard volunteers from New Jersey and the District of Columbia.

The Air Force commander in Vietnam, testifying before a Senate committee, summed up the combat record of these five squadrons:

"I had ... five F-100 Air National Guard squadrons ... Those were the five best F-100 squadrons in the field. The aircrews were a little older, but they were more experienced, and the maintenance people were also more experienced than the regular units. They had done the same work on the weapon system for years, and they had stability that a regular unit doesn't have."

In addition, a large number of combat-veteran active Air Force pilots joined the Air National Guard after Vietnam. This group includes Shepperd and Maj. Gen. E. Gordon Stump, Michigan adjutant general and NGAUS president.


http://www.ngaus.org/ngmagazine/sidebar600.asp
25 posted on 02/16/2004 1:36:17 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: TheMole
I don't care if you fly a Cessna 172, you've accomplished something that most would like to do, and only about 2% actually do do. To fly a military supersonic jet fighter is nothing to scoff at. To lead a nation in a war is something only about a dozen Americans have ever done. I love and fully support the President.
26 posted on 02/16/2004 1:42:23 PM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: Arkie2
Good call. I figure this balances out the negative spin the Democrats are trying to put on his record. Two wrongs make a right, right?
27 posted on 02/16/2004 1:42:26 PM PST by billybudd
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To: TheMole; gatorbait; Lando Lincoln; The G Man
AND LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND!!!!!!!!

"James Earl Carter spent more time on active military duty (7 years) than any other president in the last 103 years - with the exception of Gen. Dwight Eisenhower "

And he was STILL a LOUSY President, a DISASTER in national defense and foreign policy. He allowed the Islamicists to take over Iran and take and keep our US citizens hostage for months.

Above, ladies and gentlemen is absolute proof, that having had military service doesn't, by itself, make someone Presidential material.

28 posted on 02/16/2004 1:44:54 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: timpad
Thanks for the F-102A photograph. This one belongs to the 57th F.I.S.(Black Knights) at Kevlavik, Iceland. This unit recored over 2000 intercepts of Soviet aircraft while flying the F-102. This photograph shows an 57th F-102 landing at it's home Keflavik runway. The 57th was the last ADCOM unit to use the F-102A/TF-102A trading them in for F-4Cs' in 1973. The F-102A/TF102A soldiered on in the NORAD/ADCOM/ANG units until the end of 1976. Thanks for the pic:-)
29 posted on 02/16/2004 1:46:30 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TheMole
"Lt Bush has outstanding growth potential and should be promoted well ahead of his contemporaries."

Take that man to Vegas or the track. Bet on whatever he bets on.

30 posted on 02/16/2004 1:46:44 PM PST by B-bone
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To: TheMole
And while Bush was a fighter pilot, Kerry was busy demonstrating against his own country and smearing his fellow soldiers.
31 posted on 02/16/2004 1:48:38 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: B-bone
" Lt Bush is a natural leader "

===

He assessed this correctly as well.
32 posted on 02/16/2004 1:49:34 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: imemind
Sure, you hit the nail on the head. Of course, actual dodging the draft by leaving the country is more honorable than serving in the NG. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
33 posted on 02/16/2004 1:49:46 PM PST by CSM (My Senator is so stupid he'd have to get naked to count to 21 and my Governor wouldn't be able to!)
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To: imemind; TheMole; Defender2; BOBTHENAILER; GailA; Arkie2; Republican Red; Poincare; FairOpinion; ...
"Rich and politically connected found themselves enlisted in national guard as a way to avoid serving in the war at that time"


The rich and politically connected could have avoided service altogether, including service in the National Guard! And certainly, those attempting to avoid REAL service would never have volunteered to become a fighter pilot -- National Guard or otherwise!

Col William Campenni addresses this point quite eloquently:

". . . Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1075896/posts
34 posted on 02/16/2004 1:52:32 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: FairOpinion
Just think,Jimmuh was not only a Naval Officer, but an Annapolis grad .
Yessiree, a real credit to the uniform.
35 posted on 02/16/2004 1:55:01 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: timpad
Also the 57th F.I.S. F-102A you have pictured is a late model case 20 wing. Increased wing camber to the leading edges which increased maneuverability at low speeds and also increased the service ceiling of the aircraft. good pic, thanks.:-)
36 posted on 02/16/2004 1:55:48 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: DrDeb
Thanks for the post#34, DrDeb:-)
37 posted on 02/16/2004 1:57:19 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: gatorbait
I think Carter just killed Kerry's bragging rights.

Serving in the military is certainly admirable, and maybe while they served they did the right thing.

BUT that alone clearly doesn't qualify one to be president.

Kerry is running on "I was in Vietname for 4 months, therefore I am qualified and deserve to be President?.

Sorry, we already had Carter with a great military record, much longer, than Kerry's and he was a terrible president.

What we need in a president is what Bush has: a vision, decisiveness, guts, and determination who puts the safety, security, and well being of our country and the people, above all else.
38 posted on 02/16/2004 1:58:59 PM PST by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: ohioWfan
I think this thread merits a ping to your LIST!!!! [Pixes alone make it worth the trip!]
39 posted on 02/16/2004 1:59:30 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: timpad
That Deuce is from the 57th FIS operating from Keflavik,Iceland.
40 posted on 02/16/2004 1:59:45 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
You might want to check out my posts on this thread:-)
41 posted on 02/16/2004 1:59:52 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: DrDeb
The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation...

Another great point rarely made in this AWOL hoax. Every time Lt. Bush got in that aircraft, his life was in danger. That's not something a politically connected son-of-a-congressman would be willing to accept if he was just using the Guard to dodge Vietnam.

I think he'd probably get a nice, cushy job as...maybe a reporter for the Stars and Stripes Algore. He could then have even gone to Vietnam and in reality been as safe as he was back at St. Albans Algore. Seems I've heard of someone who did exactly that sort of thing Algore, but I can't remember who it was. Must've been a pretty minor figure Algore.

42 posted on 02/16/2004 2:01:06 PM PST by timpad ("We are thankful that Liberty has found such brave defenders" - W)
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To: Arkie2
As a squadron Yeoman in the Air Navy (Reserve) for several years I concur--essentially, all fitness reports for pilots were pretty much identical, and pretty much all 4.0 (When I was in, Reserve Pilots were non-pay (which I assume GWB was as well), so it was pretty extreme to give someone less than 4.0--they would have lost their billet immediately and been booted out to non flight status. Had this been the case with GWB, it would have been all over his paperwork. I do resent the fact that a**holes like MacAuliff consider Reserve Duty to be non-military AWOL and avoidance of active duty. I sure as hell served active and knew of a number of Reservist Pilots that bought the Farm--both at home and in Nam.
43 posted on 02/16/2004 2:04:27 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: FairOpinion
What we need in a president is what Bush has: a vision, decisiveness, guts, and determination who puts the safety, security, and well being of our country and the people, above all else.

All of the above is absolutely true.BUT,is he conservative enough to make St Pat the Loquacious ,patron saint of the suicidally unappeasable, and his acolytes happy?

44 posted on 02/16/2004 2:05:15 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
I drank many a beer with the boys from the 57th and did a little bat hanging. Definitey not recommended if you value your health!
45 posted on 02/16/2004 2:07:41 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: imemind
Taken from the address: http://www.ang.af.mil/history/Heritage/VietnamWar.asp

Vietnam War
On 23 January 1968, the North Koreans seized the American spy ship, U.S.S. Pueblo. President Johnson ordered a limited reserve mobilization. Next, the communists' Tet offensive in South Vietnam in February 1968 stretched American military resources thinner. The President ordered another small mobilization. In response to the first presidential order, the ANG mobilized 9,343 personnel on 25 January 1968. Within 36 hours, approximately 95 percent of the Air Guardsmen had reported to their units. Those included eight tactical fighter groups, three tactical reconnaissance groups and three wing headquarters. The fighter units, which had been beneficiaries of additional resources under the "Combat Beef" program, were rated combat ready when called into federal service. Primarily because of equipment shortages, the reconnaissance units took about a month to prepare themselves for overseas service. The President mobilized and additional 1,333 Air Guardsmen on 13 May. ANG units mobilized in May included two tactical fighter groups and a medical evacuation unit. The former, equipped with F-86Hs, were sent to Cannon AFB, New Mexico to train Air Force pilots as forward air controllers and combat crewmen. The latter transported military patients in the continental U.S. and the Caribbean.

On 3 May, F-100s from the 120th Tactical Fighter Squadron (Colorado) arrived at Phan Rang Air Base. By 1 June, all of the l20th's pilots were flying combat missions. In the meantime, the 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and the 136th (New York) had all deployed to Vietnam with their F-100s. In addition, 85 percent of the 355th Tactical Fighter Squadron -- on paper a regular Air Force unit -- were Air Guardsmen. The Air Guard units were quickly and effectively integrated into Air Force combat operations in Southeast Asia (SEA). Prior to their return home in April 1969, they flew 24,124 sortie and 38,614 combat hours. Those numbers rose to approximately 30,000 sorties and 50,000 combat hours if the predominantly Air Guard 355th was included. Two ANG fighter squadrons and their F-100Cs were dispatched to Korea in the summer of 1968 to replace the Air Force units that had been rushed there during the Pueblo crisis. The 166th (Ohio) and the 127th (Kansas) were formed into the 354th Tactical Fighter Wing. Except for the two flying squadrons, the wing consisted of individual Guardmembers and Air Force Reservists from other units. Once the Pueblo's crew was returned, the Air Guardsmen returned to the U.S. and left federal service shortly thereafter.

The 123rd TRW experienced a difficult tour of active duty. The wing and its four units -- the 123rd Tactical Reconnaissance Group (Kentucky), 189th Tactical Reconnaissance Group (TRG) (Arkansas), 152nd TRG (Reno), and the 123rd Reconnaissance Technical Squadron (RTS) (Arkansas) -- had not been rated combat-ready when mobilized on 26 January 1968 primarily due to equipment shortages. The l23rd's RF-101s began functioning as the primary Air Force tactical reconnaissance platforms in the continental U.S. Elements of its squadrons rotated temporary duty assignments in Japan and Korea from July 1968 until April 1969 providing photo reconnaissance support to American forces in those areas.

Air Guard volunteers also supported Air Force operations in Southeast Asia. The first sizable ANG airlift involvement began in 1965. They flew regularly to SEA until 1972. Between August 1965 and September, Air Guard domestic and offshore aeromedical evacuation flights freed active duty Air Force resources for such missions in SEA. In July 1970, two EC-121 "Super Constellations" from Pennsylvania's 193rd Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron departed their home station for Korat, Thailand. During the next six months, about 60 Guardsmen were rotated through the latter installation on 30 to 60 day tours in Operation "Commando Buzz," Their aircraft served as flying radar stations and airborne control platforms for U.S. air operations in SEA until January 1971.
46 posted on 02/16/2004 2:08:33 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Vae victis! - [woe to the vanquished].)
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To: gatorbait
I told him it was a 57th F.I.S F-102A in my post #29, thanks:-)
47 posted on 02/16/2004 2:09:10 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: DrDeb
The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home,

NIce job with this.

48 posted on 02/16/2004 2:10:27 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: imemind
In the days of Draft and unpopular Vietnam war, national guard was a way to dodge the draft. Rich and politically connected found themselves enlisted in national guard as a way to avoid serving in the war at that time. The point democrats are trying to make is that our neocon warriers never served in a war and they like wars only when somebody else's sons and daughters do the dying on frontline.

So was volunteering for the Navy. Or the Air Force. Or in fact volunteering for service as oppused to waiting to be drafted as that gave you a far better chance of avoiding ending up a grunt in Vietnam, as opposed to a desk clerk in Wiesbaden.

That said, Guard service was still honorable duty. It wasn't dodging the draft, or fleeing to Canada, or using a bogus disability ( ala Dean) or lying to extend college deferments (ala Bubba). Being a pilot in the Air Guard DID NOT immunize one from service in Vietnam. Nor from a chance at a violent death. I know this from personal experience, having had the sad duty of picking up the pieces of a Georgia Air Guard F4 crew from the swamp they crashed in. That was one of 3 Guard crashes I investigated as a Flight Surgeon. It also involved more time and commitment to be a Guard pilot then most other duty, basically 2 years of the equivalent of active duty. With the possibility of a major war with the Soviet Union always a real possibility.

For the Democrats, the party of Clinton, the draft dodger president, who sent US forces into harms way in the Balkans, Haiti and Somalia, and over Iraq, (while being Lewinskyed while discussing it with a congressman) to question ANYONES credentials to lead the nation is disgusting. They gave up that ability with the 8 years on THEIR KNEES to Bubba. the party that would leave our troops with nothing but their d#cks in their hands as weapons bassed on their opposition to pretty much every weapon system, who would reduce the military to some kind of expensive social welfare agency, under UN command, should really shut about this, especially with John (Fonda ) Kerry as it's standaard bearer. Any good he did the US in Vietnam was far outweighted by his antiwar antics and horrible record on defence and intelligence since.
49 posted on 02/16/2004 2:10:54 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Defender2
I saw that, had not gotten down there yet . See, GMTA :- )
50 posted on 02/16/2004 2:11:26 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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