Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats

EIB ^ | 2-19-04 | Rush Limbaugh

[jmstein7]

Ladies and gentlemen, let me set this up by saying that many of you I know are beside yourselves. You cannot believe what is happening to our culture; you cannot believe what's happening to the country; you can't believe that the law can be so wantonly violated and nobody stand up and do anything about it. This is a political movement that's taking place, this is a political issue, it's not a civil rights issue, it's not a legal issue, well, it's a legal issue but that's not the predominant manner in which it's being played out. It's being played out as a political issue.

Now, one thing that conservatives and Republicans know is just leave this alone and the Democrats will implode themselves on it. They will destroy themselves on this. Let me give you some numbers. California. Everybody has this impression of California, it's all liberal, there may be one or two conservatives for every 100 people out there, they are fringe, wacko conspiracy nuts so you can't count 'em, that whole state is gone; it's gone totally to the left. It's not true. It's totally not true.

Now, it is true that the Republican registration in California is 34%, but there was a ballot initiative recently, within the last two to three years. And the ballot initiative proposed making gay marriage illegal. It did so by stating that marriage will be that and continue to be that, an institution entered into by a man and a woman. This gay marriage ban voted on by the public in a ballot initiative, not the California legislature, won with 61% of the vote in a state with 34% Republican registration. This ballot initiative carried 52 of 58 counties.

It lost in San Francisco and Yolo County, which is where the People's Republic of Davis is. Davis is dangerously close to Sacramento. It's where the University of California Davis is. Most of the people there wear Birkenstocks and they drive bicycles all day and they shop for vegetables at the commune. I mean, its own little people's republic, and San Francisco is what it is, in those two counties the gay marriage ban was defeated, but in 52 of the 58 counties it passed. Even in San Francisco the gay marriage ban got one-third of the vote which is a lot in San Francisco. In the year 2000 presidential race, George Bush got 13% of the vote in San Francisco. The gay marriage ban got about a third of the vote. This issue is death for the Democrats, and particularly among minority voters, black and Hispanics and particularly when you subdivide the black and Hispanic voters in California into churchgoers, it really is a losing issue for the Democrats.

Now, the California state agency that records marriages said yesterday that forms that have been altered, which San Francisco has done on its homosexual marriage licenses, will not be registered. California has a standard application form for marriage licenses, and if it has been altered in any way, then it will not be registered and recorded. It will be sent back to the county of origin. These are the words of Nicole Evans, who is a spokeswoman for Kim Belshe, the California Health and Human Services secretary. "More than 2600 homosexual couples who have been quote, unquote, married since last week with the help of San Francisco's city and county officials have been crossing out 'groom and bride' as printed on the standard application and writing in phrases such as 'applicant number 1' and 'applicant number 2' or they've been writing in 'spouses for life.'" They are altering the form, they are invalidating the form and thus making the form illegal, every one of them. None of these forms will be accepted. This is all symbolic which makes it even worse for the Democrats. This issue is to the Democrats what Howard Dean was to the Democrats. Howard Dean had to be taken out because Howard Dean is an unapologetic liberal, and he is exactly what these people do not want to be known as. This issue of gay marriage, the Democrats themselves are going to have to take this out, because they cannot, they cannot allow for their party to be defined by this kind of issue or behavior.

[farmfriend]

Short list.

[speedy]

But the main Dem politicians, like Kerry, will get around it by saying they are against legalizing gay "marriage" which most of their supporters understand as a wink and a nod. Meantime, they let the courts, using judges they appoint, and a few radical local legislators do the dirty work for them. Voila, it becomes law, and then of course we all must uphold the law no matter how we feel personally. They will work this the same way they worked abortion.

[Brilliant]

If it's so unpopular, then why are the politicians afraid to touch it?

[Blood of Tyrants]

Every single one of the Rat Party supporters left wing wacko ideas will not and cannnot be made to work. We have seen what happens in CA when they run all three branches of government. And now we see what happens when they decide social issues.

Rule number one in ANY situation: When your enemy is determined to destroy themselves with their own ineptitude, stand back and let them.

[Blood of Tyrants]

What? Homosexual "marriage" or illegal immigration?

[Cicero]

The judges will go along with this, unless overwhelming political pressure is dropped on their heads. Such as impeachment, recall, and refusal of the executive to obey their illegal directives. Nothing less will stop them.

[cripplecreek]

I believe a solution to the anarchy that seems to rule SF has allready been found some years ago by Hollywood. A movie called "Escape from New York" comes to mind.

[Lady Eileen]

bump

[vaudine]

All the talking heads are talking about this--about whether or not the Mayor of SF was rigbht or wrong; because he relies on the CA Constitution and the US Constitution under the equall protection clause. My question is this. Since marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman, how can the equal protection clause be invoked? If a man and a woman of different color, ethnic origin, etc. were refused license to marry, the clause could be invoked. Two men or two women should not be allowed to marry because it interferes with their equal protection under the law. The Const. cannot make either set of applicants into a man and a woman.

These activist judges have gone so far, as in Mass. that I believe it will be a fight among the judiciary. I am afraid there have been too many Dem judges appointed, and just one judge on any court can turn our cultural heritage, the law, and the three branches of govt. on its ear.

vaudine .

[expatpat]

the Democrats themselves are going to have to take this out

Good point. And the screaming and gnashing of teeth when they do it is going to be on top of the Deaniacs' cries of betrayal by the Paarty.

[maica]

They are altering the form, they are invalidating the form and thus making the form illegal, every one of them. None of these forms will be accepted. This is all symbolic which makes it even worse for the Democrats

*****

What is happening in SF is street theatre. That's all! The so-called marriages are not being recorded in Sacramento. Thus no state authorization of the so-called union.

When oil and vinegar are 'married' salad dressing results. That is what marriage IS- a permanent union of two dissimilar items into a new 'whole.'

Something permanent. Vinegar added to vinegar will never be salad dressing. It will always be vinegar.

[goldstategop]

The Democrats ARE for gay marriage. They're against it now, not out of principle but purely for reasons of timing. That's how out of touch they are with Peoria.

[tinamina]

If I still lived in SF, I would go around town and round up a bunch of homeless people or whoever I could get to go to City Hall with me, walk in to the main rotunda area and start smoking cigarettes one after the other. The smoke would float up to all the offices, but I would challenge the "authorities" about our "equal protection under the law". Why should we have to ride at the "back of the bus"?The press would come running, they'd have to report the incident. They are promoting anarchy here, right? Freedom is whatever I want to do, right?
Then of course we would have to perform some other form of "civil disobedience" inside City Hall. Any ideas?

[CommandoFrank]

If it's so unpopular, then why are the politicians afraid to touch it?

Great question... I'm very disappointed in Arnolds response (or lack thereof) to this issue. I think he should relinqish his title of 'Terminator' and assume the Republican mantra of reacting like a wimp.

I guess that means he should now be know as the 'Wimpinator'...

[CounterCounterCulture]

Funny how "equal protection" doesn't apply under "progressive" income taxation.

Naw, I'm not laughing.

[TheGeezer]

You are absolutely correct in that the definition of marriage is what is the question. But the debate was lost long ago, when sex was divided from reproduction. If you can have sex without the possibility of conception, then any use of sex is OK. Contraception made homosexual marriage possible. Interesting, eh?

[applemac_g4]

>The judges will go along with this, unless overwhelming
>political pressure is dropped on their heads. Such as
>impeachment, recall, and refusal of the executive to obey
>their illegal directives. Nothing less will stop them.

Too late. The fix is in. The city of San Francisco is suing the state of California seeking to have the law banning gay marriage thrown out by a superior Nazgul.

I'm sure that they already have the list of sympathetic judges drawn up.

The gay marriages will continue until this lands in front of the SOCUS, which will declare gay marriage to be the law of the land.

[TheLion]

"you can't believe that the law can be so wantonly violated and nobody stand up and do anything about it".

"I'm very disappointed in Arnolds response (or lack thereof) to this issue"

This is a great opportunity for Republicans to step up to the plate and have the courage to speak their convictions. I am so tired of all the gutless wonders. In Arnolds case, he may be waiting to see which way the wind blows....typical politics.

[claudiustg]

---The Democrats ARE for gay marriage. They're against it now, not out of principle but purely for reasons of timing.---

Art Torres is for it! He came out last night, dressed like a pimp, and put his big fat stupid head right in a noose. He dismissed the will of the people and defended the "marriages".

[CommandoFrank]

I am so tired of all the gutless wonders.

I agree... Only the Republican leaders can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. How sad...

[puroresu]

One of the reasons the Republicans are called "The Stupid Party" is that they allow the Democrats and their media allies to frighten them out of taking popular positions.

On controversial social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, and the gay agenda, the Democrat/Media drumbeat is that the GOP should avoid taking a conservative stand. The drumbeat is literally incessant, "warning" the GOP that they'll lose women voters, or suburban voters, or whomever, if they come out strongly on the conservative side of those issues.

The Republicans usually fall for it and decide to duck those issues. That allows the 'Rats to then frame the issue in a dishonest manner: "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but don't think it should be a political issue." "I'm against quotas, but support affirmative action." "I'm against gay marriage, but feel that an amendment to ban it would violate states' rights."

The result of this is that people with leftist views on those issues vote 'Rat, while people with rightist views split three ways (some stay home, some vote GOP because of other issues, some vote 'Rat because of other issues).

A knock-down electoral battle between a strong gay marriage proponent and a strong gay marriage opponent would result in the anti-gay marriage candidate winning in all but a few ultra-leftist precincts. But if the race is between a gay marriage proponent who pretends to oppose gay marriage, and a gay marriage opponent who avoids highlighting the issue out of unnecessary fear, the results are up in the air.

[nicmarlo]

BTTT

[NorseWood]

OK, I give up. Let the gays get married, but never, never let them get a divorce. Do you realize how many straight marriages break up? Make the gays suffer through a life time of marriage with no way out.

[backhoe]

jm, I view this as the dagger aimed at the heart of America. The family is the basic block of a civil society. Destroy that, and...

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[maica]

Your argument is sound (Republicans cede ground at each leftist issue) but I would like to point out one item that even you and most of us have already ceded in this current situation.

We should never say or write "gay marriage." We should always use the phrase "so-called gay marriage."

When we say "gay marriage" we have put the discussion in the realm of possibility.

Conservatives always allow the leftist/progressives to define our language and we must train ourselves away from this.

Suppose 'homosexual' had not been virtually expunged from speech, "Homosexual" and "marriage" really are hard on the ears, but "gay marriage" sounds neutral (to our brain's language-processing center.)

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[ConservativeStLouisGuy]

Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats - Rush Limbaugh

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, let me set this up by saying that many of you I know are beside yourselves. You cannot believe what is happening to our culture; you cannot believe what's happening to the country; you can't believe that the law can be so wantonly violated and nobody stand up and do anything about it. This is a political movement that's taking place, this is a political issue, it's not a civil rights issue, it's not a legal issue, well, it's a legal issue but that's not the predominant manner in which it's being played out. It's being played out as a political issue.

Now, one thing that conservatives and Republicans know is just leave this alone and the Democrats will implode themselves on it. They will destroy themselves on this. Let me give you some numbers. California. Everybody has this impression of California, it's all liberal, there may be one or two conservatives for every 100 people out there, they are fringe, wacko conspiracy nuts so you can't count 'em, that whole state is gone; it's gone totally to the left. It's not true. It's totally not true.

Now, it is true that the Republican registration in California is 34%, but there was a ballot initiative recently, within the last two to three years. And the ballot initiative proposed making gay marriage illegal. It did so by stating that marriage will be that and continue to be that, an institution entered into by a man and a woman. This gay marriage ban voted on by the public in a ballot initiative, not the California legislature, won with 61% of the vote in a state with 34% Republican registration. This ballot initiative carried 52 of 58 counties.

It lost in San Francisco and Yolo County, which is where the People's Republic of Davis is. Davis is dangerously close to Sacramento. It's where the University of California Davis is. Most of the people there wear Birkenstocks and they drive bicycles all day and they shop for vegetables at the commune. I mean, its own little people's republic, and San Francisco is what it is, in those two counties the gay marriage ban was defeated, but in 52 of the 58 counties it passed. Even in San Francisco the gay marriage ban got one-third of the vote which is a lot in San Francisco. In the year 2000 presidential race, George Bush got 13% of the vote in San Francisco. The gay marriage ban got about a third of the vote. This issue is death for the Democrats, and particularly among minority voters, black and Hispanics and particularly when you subdivide the black and Hispanic voters in California into churchgoers, it really is a losing issue for the Democrats.

Now, the California state agency that records marriages said yesterday that forms that have been altered, which San Francisco has done on its homosexual marriage licenses, will not be registered. California has a standard application form for marriage licenses, and if it has been altered in any way, then it will not be registered and recorded. It will be sent back to the county of origin. These are the words of Nicole Evans, who is a spokeswoman for Kim Belshe, the California Health and Human Services secretary. "More than 2600 homosexual couples who have been quote, unquote, married since last week with the help of San Francisco's city and county officials have been crossing out 'groom and bride' as printed on the standard application and writing in phrases such as 'applicant number 1' and 'applicant number 2' or they've been writing in 'spouses for life.'" They are altering the form, they are invalidating the form and thus making the form illegal, every one of them. None of these forms will be accepted. This is all symbolic which makes it even worse for the Democrats. This issue is to the Democrats what Howard Dean was to the Democrats. Howard Dean had to be taken out because Howard Dean is an unapologetic liberal, and he is exactly what these people do not want to be known as. This issue of gay marriage, the Democrats themselves are going to have to take this out, because they cannot, they cannot allow for their party to be defined by this kind of issue or behavior.

Now, the fact of the matter is, if there were no opposition and if left to their own devices, the liberals wouldn't care about this at all. Whatever these people wanted, they would do. They want to keep them happy, keep them in the camp and they don't see anything wrong with it anyway, most liberals don't. I'm talking about liberal leaders. However, on this they're going to have to step in, and they have begun to do so. Peter Schrag is a former editorial page editor of the Sacramento Bee. I am intimately familiar with the Sacramento Bee, and I am very much familiar, I've never met him, but I know Schrag. Schrag is now a columnist, and he lives in Davis, land of Birkenstocks, bicycles, and community vegetables.

He is very worried about the gay marriage issue's impact on Democrats, even in northern California, he writes. "The gay marriage issue is already in play, thanks in part to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, and thanks in part to Gavin Newsom, the new mayor of San Francisco who in one of his first major acts of monumental political stupidity successfully urged city officials to grant licenses for the gay unions that Californians had voted overwhelmingly to forbid. Just when Bush's support and his poll standings are shrinking here comes San Francisco's city-county sanctioned gay marriages almost certain to be declared invalid anyway to rouse Bush's base" These are the words of Mr. Schrag, well known liberal columnist in Sacramento. Bill Clinton, he writes, "Bill Clinton learned painfully that wading into the gay front of the culture wars in his first days in office was not a good way to begin. Maybe Newsom has no wider political ambitions but just as Bush fearing a weakening political base is working overtime to inflame the cultural right couldn't Newsom have done his fellow Democrats a favor and waited a year before adding fuel to the fire?"

See what I mean, just wait a year, do this when there's no election year, do it when nobody cares, do it when nobody will stop it, they want it done they just don't want it done when it will hurt them, they don't want people to know who they really are it's a common behavioral trait of liberals and it's almost mandatory that they camouflage and mask who they really are. In addition to this from the San Jose Mercury News: “The biggest surprise of the day came from U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer seeking her third term this fall, long a champion of gay rights who publicly stated she does not believe in changing state law to allow for the recognition of same-sex marriage.” So here she is, long a supporter of gay rights, not just supporter, a champion, and all of the sudden it's her election year, and she comes out against this, and she from San Francisco. "Her announcement, which came after two Republican opponents challenged her on the issue, was a blow to some of her longtime gay and lesbian supporters, demonstrated the acute political sensitivity of same-sex marriage in an election year.

"Repercussions did not end there. Democratic representative Barney [My Boy Lollipop] Frank, leader of the gay rights issues since his election was the first openly gay member of Congress criticized San Francisco officials not for what they're doing, but for poor timing. He says the backlash probably would help anti-gay marriage forces pass a federal constitutional ban and ones in individual states including his own states where same sex marriages are slated to begin in May. Barney Frank, a supporter of gay marriage, said he had warned San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom about this."

It's just an issue of bad timing, don't you see, folks. Nobody is doing anything wrong, it's just when they're doing it that's providing problems, causing problems. And Santa Cruz County's most liberal supervisor, Democrat Mardi Wormhoudt, has been the target of an aggressive lobbying effort to recognize gay marriage in the county in recent days even though it's not the supervisor's decision to make. Richard Bedal, Santa Cruz County's elected registrar and tax collector, said Wednesday that wasn't going to happen... now. And as I say, Barney Frank, not tossing any rice here as these people come out of city hall, he's not celebrating these marriages, he's upset at the timing. He further said that the San Francisco decision to challenge state law and grant these marriage licenses to same-sex couples could damage efforts by gay rights advocates to defend the Massachusetts court decision legalizing gay marriage. He said, "I was sorry to see the San Francisco thing go forward. If we go forward in Massachusetts and get same-sex marriage on the books it's going to be binding and incontestable. But this threatens it." Frank said San Francisco's move promotes the notion that unpopular laws could be broken or ignored. Well, by liberals they can. It's happening, Barney. Liberals can break laws. Liberals can violate laws. Liberals can ignore laws. But look who it is moving in trying to stop all this.

Meanwhile, in Chicago Mayor Daley said Wednesday he would have no problem with county clerk David Orr issuing marriage licenses to gay couples and Orr said he's open to a San Francisco style protest if a consensus could be built. Now, Mayor Daley, go for it. I mean let's see this happening in Chicago now. All you liberal Democrat mayors, follow suit. Do what you really want to do, be who you really are. That's what the country needs to see, you want a straight up and down fair vote on what you really believe, let's see it.

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Here's the article if full....I THOUGHT I remembered Rush saying more on this (than what was posted)....

Here is the original link to the article at Rush's site: Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats

FReegards,

- ConservativeStLouisGuy

[E.G.C.]

Thanks for the post.Nobody knows how to cover stuff like this like Rush does. BTTT!!!!!!

[claudiustg]

---And Santa Cruz County's most liberal supervisor, Democrat Mardi Wormhoudt, has been the target of an aggressive lobbying effort to recognize gay marriage in the county in recent days even though it's not the supervisor's decision to make. Richard Bedal, Santa Cruz County's elected registrar and tax collector, said Wednesday that wasn't going to happen... now. ---

I was wondering what was up with Santa Cruz. Generally the left in Santa Cruz is for anything that slides our society further into decay. I think this place holds the per capita record for young women adorned with tattoos and body metal. Anything bizarre is readily accepted.

[Lady Eileen]

Rush is talking about this now.

[r9etb]

If it's so unpopular, then why are the politicians afraid to touch it?

Because they're afraid it will turn the media against them.

However, "the politicians" are touching it, so your premise is off to begin with.

[Lady Eileen]

Rush is fired up about this...He said the Democrat leaders are running away from this...but their followers aren't listening.

[Lady Eileen]

Rush said who stands to get hurt by this...the Democrats...The Democrat leaders are always trying to camouflage themselves...But their voters don't want to wait any longer...so the Democrat voters are now revealing to America what the Democrats are all about.

[puroresu]

You're right! We too frequently allow the left to define our terminology.

[Brilliant]

They are only touching it with a 20 foot pole. I think this issue is ultimately going to be a loser. The libs will have their way, and the Republicans will let them.