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To: Recovering_Democrat
People who have seen the movie say it adopts standard Christian imagery in excruciating detail: Jesus being pinioned to a Latin cross -- a T-shaped device with a short upper extension -- with one nail driven through both feet and one through each palm. >>

Check out the Shroud of Turin (which has NOT been "discredited" as the left likes to pretend). It's portrayal is, ahem, "as it was" (although the holes are in His wrists, not the palms of His hands).
10 posted on 02/20/2004 9:55:20 AM PST by Ronly Bonly Jones (The more things change...)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
He said experiments on cadavers carried out by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages have shown that people hanging with nails through their hands will fall to the ground within a relatively short time, pulled by gravity.

This is exactly what has led many people to believe that the Shroud of Turin is, in fact, authentic -- because people hanging with nails through their wrists will not fall to the ground in this manner.

If the Shroud were truly a fake, then the person who created it would have sought to maintain an air of authenticity by showing wounds that were consistent with what every artistic rendering of that era had showed -- which was a crucified Christ with nails through the hands.

15 posted on 02/20/2004 10:07:52 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Well another subtle error (besides no dialogue in Greek, which was, after all the lingua franc of the eastern half of the Empire, and would have been used between Pilate and the leaders of the Temple): All depictions of the Crucifixion prior to the 12th century (east or west) show one nail through each foot. The notion of a single nail through both feet seems to have been invented in Germany or Spain in the 12th or 13th century.
18 posted on 02/20/2004 10:11:02 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
"Hands" in the ancient world were often taken to mean elbow to fingertip (believed to be the measure of a cubit, BTW).

If the nails were in his palms, his hands would have been ripped apart in a matter of minutes.

24 posted on 02/20/2004 10:27:06 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Ronly Bonly Jones wrote:



Check out the Shroud of Turin (which has NOT been "discredited" as the left likes to pretend). It's portrayal is, ahem, "as it was" (although the holes are in His wrists, not the palms of His hands).






Standard Roman MOS for a crucifixion was to drive the nails through the wrists, as the palms of the hands will not support the weight of a human body by themselves.


The Romans were sticklers for records and detail and wrote EVERYTHING down... bunch of that stuff is in the Vatican Library even today.

So if these people need an "unbiased" description, perhaps they should check some old Roman military manuals.
48 posted on 02/20/2004 12:08:53 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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