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Veterans and the Kerry Controversy [Vets Question His Record]
Mens News Daily ^ | February 21, 2004 | Thomas D. Segel

Posted on 02/22/2004 9:11:44 PM PST by Hon

Veterans and the Kerry Controversy

February 21, 2004


by Thomas D. Segel

It seems the spin-doctors have gone to work early in the John F. Kerry campaign.  As he makes his run to be the Democrat nominee in the race for the presidency, there is great trumpeting of his combat service in Vietnam, along with the medals he was awarded for that service.  In true political fashion the spin machine wants to proclaim him a distinguished hero, while at the same time cautioning all who happen to raise an eyebrow that nobody should question Kerry’s service or valor.

I would argue that anyone who experienced shots fired in anger has the right to ask questions about any other person who makes similar claims.  John Kerry and company have opened some ugly wounds and brought back to the surface sad memories of a painful war.  They should be prepared to field and reply to any and all questions about the candidate’s actions in that long ago Vietnam.

To be objective, it must be pointed out Kerry did serve off the coast of Vietnam aboard the USS Gridley for six months between December 1967 and June 1968.  He was an officer in the electrical department during a relatively uneventful short tour.

On December 1, 1968 Kerry arrived in Vietnam and assumed command of Patrol Boat Fast “Swift Boat” #44, on which he served until late in January 1969.  Records show that on December 2, 1968 he was slightly wounded in his arm, earning his first Purple Heart.

In late January, Kerry was transferred to “Swift Boat” #94.  Records indicate the boat had 18 missions during the next 48 days.  Almost all were in the MeKong Delta.

According to military documents, Kerry sustained minor shrapnel wound to his left thigh on February 20, 1969.  He was awarded his second Purple Heart.

The actions, which unfolded on February 28, led to Lt. Kerry’s first award for valor.  When his patrol craft received rocket fire from shore, he ordered his boat beached in the center of the enemy position.  An enemy fighter jumped from an emplacement just a few feet from where the boat beached and attempted to flee.  He was shot and wounded by the patrol craft gunner, firing a twin 50-caliber machine gun.  As the wounded Viet Cong darted behind a shack for protection, the gunner fired an estimated 50 rounds through the building.  Kerry than leaped from the boat and ran to the shack.  Though it is not stated in the citation, Kerry’s later remarks were that he administered a “coup de grace” to the wounded enemy and returned to his boat with a B-40 rocket and launcher.  He then moved his boat approximately 800 yards further up river to suppress enemy fire.  He again ordered his boat beached and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy.  Later, sweeping the area the crew uncovered a supply dump, which was destroyed.  The citation lauds Kerry’s daring and personal courage in attacking a numerically superior force during that highly successful mission.  He was awarded the Silver Star.

On March 13, 1969 when his “Swift Boat” was exiting the Bay Hap River a mine detonated wounding Lt Kerry in the right arm.  The five boats in that patrol all started receiving fire from the riverbanks.  Kerry discovered he had a man overboard and went to assist.  While in an exposed position in the bow of the boat, he pulled the man aboard, and then directed his boat to assist another damaged boat to safety.  For this action, Kerry was awarded the Bronze Star with Combat “V”.  He was also awarded his third Purple Heart.

On March 17, 1969, just four days after the Bay Hap River action, Lieutenant (jg) John F. Kerry requested relief under a rule, which allowed recipients of three Purple Hearts to be reassigned to a non-combat duty.  He was returned to the United States.  Shortly after his return, Kerry requested an early release from the Navy so that he might campaign for Congress.

This is the brief four-month combat duty of John F. Kerry, as closely as it can be reconstructed.  He has talked repeatedly of his Navy service, but has never explained the details of his personal involvement.

Retired Marine Major Frank Stolz of Round Rock, Texas has some deep concerns about Kerry’s “Swift Boat” exploits and his swifter tour of duty in Vietnam.  “He returned to the USA after all of four months with the swift boats”, says Stolz.  “He reminded his Commanding Officer that he had three Purple hearts and should be allowed to leave the combat zone.  His behavior during this period was reckless and his medals are in question.  There was killing of unarmed civilians and later a wounded soldier, which earned him a Silver Star. He had to do a lot of the writing for this award himself, or he talked his crew members into writing him up, as he was the only officer.”

Stolz points out an important fact that is never mentioned when Kerry campaign personnel speak of their candidate’s heroism.  “Wounded enemy soldiers are brought to the rear for questioning, as required by the Geneva Conventions, UN policy and U.S. military doctrine.  Only when the enemy soldier is fighting or when returning him would jeopardize your unit is it permissible to kill him.  Obviously that wounded soldier could have been carried to the swift boat, taken to the medics and then to the interrogators.”

Retired Army Colonel George R. Givens of Paige, Texas also has reservations as to the propriety of Kerry’s action under fire.  “As I understand it, the enemy attacked his boat and he responded by grounding the boat, leaping off, and personally pursuing a wounded enemy, which he killed.

“At the time he was Commander of his Swift Boat.  Think about it.  In the middle of an attack, the Captain of the Ship runs his boat aground, leaves the boat and crew of five enlisted men behind, and conducts needless, single handed pursuit of a fleeing enemy, while his boat and crew are especially vulnerable to further attack by possible hidden forces.

“Swift Boats were not heavily armored or armed.  One of the few defensive weapons they had was maneuverability, including leaving the area to call in air strikes or artillery.  By intentionally grounding his boat so he could get off and conduct a one man chase, he took away one of the primary defenses of his boat.”

There are still more questions veterans have about the four months of John Kerry’s combat service.  Most notable in the mind of this writer, are more than 100 email messages wanting to know the details of his three Purple Heart awards.

There are many who point to something which is traditional among combat troops and a concern of those in command…large numbers fail to report minor wounds, knowing that if they do so it most likely will mean their removal from the unit and treatment at some medical facility. They just don’t want to leave the members of their squads, platoons, or companies.  Most men in combat units develop an unbreakable bond with their brothers in arms.  They won’t abandon those in their units, if there is any way to avoid separation.

So, in the case of John Kerry…ALL want to know…IF the wounds were minor, who treated them?  IF there were no medical personnel, who decided they were combat wounds?  IF it was decided they were wounds, who recommended they be submitted to receive the Purple Heart?  And finally…IF three Purple Hearts were the ticket out of combat, why did it take four long days for this officer to request relief and abandon those in his command?

There are dozens upon dozens of related “Kerry Questions” but they must be addressed in another commentary. 


Thomas D. Segel


Thomas D. Segel is a twice wounded, former combat correspondent who saw enemy action during the Korean War and two tours of duty in Vietnam. He retired from the Marine Corps as a Master Gunnery Sergeant after 26 years of service. His next assignment was as Director of Information and adjunct faculty member of the Marine Military Academy. He then completed a new career and recently retired from service with the State of Texas, where he was Director, Division of Information, Texas Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation, Rio Grande State Center. He holds the Thomas Jefferson Award for Journalistic Excellence, The Marine Corps Combat Correspondents Association Distinguished Performance Award and six Armed Forces Writers Association Distinguished Achievement Awards. Segel has authored four books, including "Men in Space" which received the honor of being placed on both the National High School and National Junior High School Library Lists. He currently writes for several on line publications, national magazines and newspapers. His writings are distributed nationally to more than 1,300 publications by the Paragon Foundation News Service. He holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Texas Pan American and earned his masters degree at Vanderbilt University. He is a past national president of the United States Marine Corps Combat Correspondents Association. Segel resides with his wife, Pattie, in Harlingen, Texas.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; kerry; militaryrecord; vietnamwar
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: Plutarch
OMG..........I used to love to read the Flashman series.You've brought back some old, delightful memories. :-)
22 posted on 02/22/2004 10:56:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Were the hour not so late, this thread would attract the swarm. Maybe not, since several of them were zotted today.
23 posted on 02/22/2004 10:58:38 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
More ZOTS...do tell. They're climbiung out of the woodwork. :-(
24 posted on 02/22/2004 11:01:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Hon; skr
"You put in my award request (which I'll write for you) and I'll put in your award request later."

(Wink wink.)
25 posted on 02/22/2004 11:01:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
And when he needed a Silver Star, ole LBJ was sitting in the WH.
26 posted on 02/22/2004 11:04:59 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
Were the hour not so late, this thread would attract the swarm.

Mo-bees

27 posted on 02/22/2004 11:12:14 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: nopardons; onyx
Looks like corkscrew is a goner,and I thought he had been pretty stealthy.
28 posted on 02/22/2004 11:12:48 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
No, he looked like the troll he was. Good riddance to yet another troll.
29 posted on 02/22/2004 11:15:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: onyx
Saved to my data base.
30 posted on 02/22/2004 11:18:33 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: MEG33
The current training seems to be: "tell them that they are using the wrong strategy--no matter what the subject--they are going about it wrong.

At least that seems to be the pattern I'm seeing. No matter what gets posted somebody always says, "nobody cares about that, you should be talking about XYZ."

Weird thing is, nobody is stopping them from talking about XYZ.
31 posted on 02/22/2004 11:21:12 PM PST by Hon
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To: nopardons
He thought he was stealthy!
32 posted on 02/22/2004 11:21:18 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
They popped one on another thread I was on tonite.

Business has been good.

g'nite all.

33 posted on 02/22/2004 11:21:45 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: Hon
i found the first thread I ever saw him on and informed a poster there that he'd gotten the hook.
34 posted on 02/22/2004 11:25:52 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: wirestripper
5 freepmails at least concerning threads I wasn't on and subjects not discussed anywhere today.All trolls.
35 posted on 02/22/2004 11:28:18 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
He thinks ? LOL

He stunk up this thread, with his pro Kerry garbage.

36 posted on 02/22/2004 11:29:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MEG33
Really ?
37 posted on 02/22/2004 11:30:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Really.At least one was funny!(love slave with listening device implant lures Bin Ladin to be captured)
38 posted on 02/22/2004 11:39:04 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Hon
If Kerry was a genuine war hero, you would think he would want all the facts on the table. He would benefit enormously from this disclosure.

The fact that it isn't being released leads to the obvious conclusion that it is not true.
39 posted on 02/22/2004 11:39:15 PM PST by TheLion
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To: MEG33
Holy cow! LOL
40 posted on 02/22/2004 11:42:56 PM PST by nopardons
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