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To: AntiGuv
I agree, the two reports are curious. But I find the lack of objective comparisons of the two reports much more telling. I tend to think ground truth is closer to the lower number (household) than the higher (payrolls). Why? Two reasons, both anecdotal (there's that word again!):
1) Consumer spending has been boosting the economy for a few years now. I have trouble believing it could remain that strong given an economy where 2.x million jobs really went away without being replaced. (Yes, I'm aware of the tax cut impacts, the refinancing boom, and America's fascination with overextending their credit.) Even with all that, I still find it curious.
2) The "virtual" work environment makes it much easier for folks to work from home, going into business for themselves. Things that would understandably be missed on a payroll report.

One other point which is a bit more "concrete" than the previous two - Wall Street knows much more about all this than I do. Yet the market has skyrocketed over the past year, even though job creation acc to Payrolls has been lagging. I realize profits is a big driver of the market, but overall economic factors are paid close attention to. I think the big players would be much more cautious with their investments were the economic factors reflecting a negative outlook or current environment.

Just my two cents (which was worth only 1.2 cents a year ago...)

72 posted on 02/23/2004 8:02:46 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word I'd use to describe John Kerry)
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To: Coop
Just my two cents (which was worth only 1.2 cents a year ago...)

Did you factor in the weak dollar? I guess it's not a big problem if you're spending it here.

74 posted on 02/23/2004 8:04:37 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Coop; AntiGuv
[Coop writes] I agree, the two reports are curious. But I find the lack of objective comparisons of the two reports much more telling. I tend to think ground truth is closer to the lower number (household) than the higher (payrolls). Why? ..[snip]...

As you say, the loud silence in the mainstream media regarding the household survey is important, and in the direction of the same old bias. Aside from that, the discrepancy is both interesting and important. One does indeed read various reasons to prefer the household survey. I wish and hope that it reflects the economy more accurately than the payroll report. However, I am not all that hopeful as Greenspan said something to the effect of all in all he thought the payroll report more reliable. While Greenspan is obviously not the only professional whose opinion is worth listening to, he does sit at the top of a web and has shown reasonable judgment before.

87 posted on 02/23/2004 9:10:18 AM PST by Ships of Wood, Men of Iron (Campus intellectual diversity; running the gamut from Marx to Engels)
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