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TSA Detention Is No Joke
Washington Post via Drudge ^ | Monday, February 23, 2004; | Al Kamen

Posted on 02/23/2004 7:41:52 AM PST by jjm2111

[Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch was lead away in handcuffs for saying his cat was NOT a bomb]

According to another waiting passenger nearby, Klayman told the screeners that the cat wasn't a terrorist and didn't have a bomb. With that, we're told, he was instantly taken out of line by the security people and put in handcuffs.

He was then apparently taken somewhere for questioning, where agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous. He was eventually released, and he hopped a later flight.

"It wasn't a funny joke," Klayman said last week, rejecting our efforts to talk about the surgical removal of the agents' senses of humor. "I apologized for it. I support what the TSA is doing, and I should have been more sensitive. I was tired, and it was the end of the day."

Asked about the cuffs and the questioning, Klayman declined to go into detail, though he confirmed he had to take a later flight to Fort Lauderdale.

Well, beats Guantanamo.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; colors; dumb; judicialwatch; larryklayman; loy; ridge; tsa
TSA is out of control.
1 posted on 02/23/2004 7:41:53 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
He was then apparently taken somewhere for questioning, where agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous. He was eventually released, and he hopped a later flight.

So is Larry Klayman. If only they could have kept him in shackles until after the Florida Senate election.

2 posted on 02/23/2004 7:43:13 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (John Kerry is the Democrat's Bob Dole)
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To: jjm2111
TSA is out of control.

Sorry, but any joke or reference to a bomb was a serious air security matter long before TSA came into existence.

3 posted on 02/23/2004 7:43:53 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: jjm2111
Boy do I wish they would keep him...put him on a bus, lose his paperwork - forever. Klayman is a pox on the earth.
4 posted on 02/23/2004 7:45:50 AM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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To: dirtboy
Sorry, but any joke or reference to a bomb was a serious air security matter long before TSA came into existence.

It's a silly rule. How does it in any way increase security? Would a real terrorist actually joke about the bomb he was carrying on the plane?

Our security measures are still a joke. Little rules like this are meant to make people feel better, but they do nothing to increase security and chip away at Americans' freedoms.

5 posted on 02/23/2004 7:49:08 AM PST by Modernman ("The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." - Thucydides)
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To: jjm2111
"...agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous."

What's fame got to do with it? Fame isn't a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, for liberals or conservatibes or middle-of-the-roaders. Say something stupid like that while getting on a plane and expect to be jerked out of line.

TSA did it's job. Good for them.

6 posted on 02/23/2004 7:51:38 AM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: Modernman
It's a silly rule. How does it in any way increase security? Would a real terrorist actually joke about the bomb he was carrying on the plane?

A terrorist might not, but a nutbar well could - and the rule is not just about jokes, but ANY mention of a potential bombing or terror act. And, no matter what one thinks of the validity of the rule, it was in place long before the creation of TSA, which means this story does not support the poster's assertion that TSA is out of control. Even Klayman said he was in the wrong here.

7 posted on 02/23/2004 7:51:45 AM PST by dirtboy (John Kerry - talking out both ends of the horse since 1970...)
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To: jjm2111
where agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous.

Famous? I didn't realize that either. :)
8 posted on 02/23/2004 7:55:11 AM PST by Daus
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To: jjm2111
He was then apparently taken somewhere for questioning, where agents most likely didn't recognize him or realize that he was famous.

TSA can be faulted for a lot of things, but failure to recognize the "famous" Larry Klayman is not one of them.

9 posted on 02/23/2004 8:01:48 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: dirtboy; Modernman
He said he *DIDN'T* have a bomb and his cat was *NOT* a terrorist. It wasn't funny, but it was not like he was joking that he *did* have a bomb.

My problem w/ the whole thing is the screener should have said, "Sir, I understand your probably tired and cranky, but please don't mention the word 'bomb' even in the negative, and just comply w/ the procedures."

Slapping him in handcuffs was ridiculous.

I really don't like dealing w/ TSA, but it's easy; polite but authoritative. Don't give them any crap, but don't take any either.
10 posted on 02/23/2004 8:02:57 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
I've noticed a pattern with airport security which could be quite dangerous.

Any person who say's anything which triggers the focus of screeners/security seems to create a signifigant diversion. I've seen this several times.

They treat that screening area like a gateway and have an inability to do much outside that geographic area. This is proven when a screener gets troubled about something and shuts down an entire terminal because one person got thru and the screeners can't leave their posts to follow up on the passenger.

I saw an old lady in a bad mood draw the eyes and ears of every TSA worker in a steadily paced manner. They all stopped looking elsewhere.

I've seen or heard of no plain clothes or undercover security folk dispersed with regular passengers inside the terminal after that checkpoint.

Klayman's cat, or a simply staged diversion, maybe three deep seems to be a real weakness in the process.

11 posted on 02/23/2004 8:17:12 AM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: blackdog
One thing that Al Kamen got wrong: The rule about never joking about hijacking or explosives preceded the TSA.
12 posted on 02/23/2004 8:21:42 AM PST by BCrago66
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To: jjm2111
TSA is out of control.

They must be doing something right because I can't recall a post 09.11 hijacking. Is the TSA perfect? No! Out of control? Hardly. BTW, I think LK is only famous in his own mind. Outside of his own organization, Drudge, and Free Republic, I bet the vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no idea who he is.

13 posted on 02/23/2004 8:27:05 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Read Dominate. Intimdate. Control. It's on FR. Will you be subject to Gestapo like treatment most of the time? Probably not. But there are severe deficiencies in TSA procedures and training.
14 posted on 02/23/2004 8:36:50 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
OK here's the deal...

1. One reason such comments (even in the negative) are always taken seriously is that nobody at the checkpoint wants to ignore it, miss something that allows a plane to be blown up, and then have to blow his own brains out later that day. Comments in the affirmative are taken MUCH MORE seriously and are in themselves a criminal act.

2. In this case, Larry wasn't really detained because anybody thought he was a serious terrorist threat. He was detained for being an idiot. Who hasn't wanted to give somebody a hard time for being an idiot? He wasn't thrown in jail; he wasn't charged with a crime. He was inconvenienced and embarrassed, which is exactly what he deserved for acting like an idiot.

People seem to always check their brains at the front door of an airport; I've never understood it, but it gets annoying. Back well before 9/11, when we were still asking the questions at luggage check (has anyone given you anything, etc.), I had a guy say "yeah, a big bag of bombs, heh heh." Back then, it resulted in an interview with police and a dump-search of his luggage, along with a vicious tongue-lashing from me; he did however get to fly. Today he'd do real time.
15 posted on 02/23/2004 8:37:46 AM PST by xjcsa
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To: blackdog
What do you suppose they would have done with Schroedinger's Cat?
16 posted on 02/23/2004 8:44:12 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: jjm2111
The unasked question is whether this prohibition on saying the "B" word at airports has any REAL safety benefit. As if the hypothetical terrorists would really be chatting about it in line at security.

Where is the evidence that chatting about bombs correlates with actual bombings?

This reeks of the rest of the TSA's ineffectual show efforts that provide no real security.
17 posted on 02/23/2004 8:51:41 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
TSA can be faulted for a lot of things, but failure to recognize the "famous" Larry Klayman is not one of them.

Heck, I'm a political junkie and I wouldn't recognize Klayman. Unless he was serving me with papers or . . .

18 posted on 02/23/2004 8:58:00 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Beelzebubba
To amplify my point, there are three options for airport jokers:

1. Punish them (with fine, prison, denying travel presently and/or in the future).

2. Harrass, threaten, and frighten them into never doing this again.

3. Briefly admonish them about how they are making security more difficult, and rescreen them with heightened sensitivity.

Which of these will improve security?

#1 and 2 will stop an indivudual from joking again, but this will not change the number of bombers that get through, nor those from the multitudes who will be the next joker.

#2 is fun for the police-state-thugs to show whose turf the subjects are on, but has no effect on security.

#3 is no fun for the thugs, but actually addresses the hypothetical risk that those who make such comments are more likely to be a threat than an average passanger. (And if they are not an increased risk, then such jokes should be ignored, and the screening should be relied upon.)
19 posted on 02/23/2004 9:00:02 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: blackdog
Klayman's cat, or a simply staged diversion, maybe three deep seems to be a real weakness in the process.

Are you accusing Larry Klayman's cat of being part of an international terrorist conspiracy?

20 posted on 02/23/2004 9:04:50 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: Beelzebubba
Option #4) Duct tape smart-ass passenger to his seat, with his arms at his sides, wearing a sign that say's he thinks airline security is a joking matter and bitchslaps to the face are free.

Never ever rule out duct tape as a solution to any problem.

21 posted on 02/23/2004 9:04:57 AM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: JohnnyZ
Klayman ain't got much else going for him. Any new line of work would be an improvement. Given his track record though, he'd be pretty bad at it and he would alway's be the guy telling the person sitting next to him to be the suicide bomber.
22 posted on 02/23/2004 9:07:30 AM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: jjm2111
I was tired, and it was the end of the day."

Don't bother with the excuses. It's the same thing his mother said, right before he sued her.

23 posted on 02/23/2004 9:10:22 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: JohnnyZ
Come to think of it, what self respecting American Man travels with a cat? Klayman must be a little light in the loafers.

On a serious side, I've flown lab monkeys, dogs, cats, miniature horses, tropical fish, turtles, and many-many other critters too numerous to count. I can assure everyone that nothing comes closer to being a bomb than a cat without technically being a bomb. They puke and crap and piss all over the place when they get nervous and scared in a cargo plane. The stink is worse than anything else I could imagine.

24 posted on 02/23/2004 9:14:23 AM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: blackdog
Come to think of it, what self respecting American Man travels with a cat?

Yo, I was just wondering that! Does the cat go with him everywhere? Can't it stay home ever? Is there a deep personal attachment? Did they go to any cat fashion shows during their bonding time?

These are the hard-hitting questions reporters need to be asking.

25 posted on 02/23/2004 9:19:18 AM PST by JohnnyZ (People don't just bump into each other and have sex. This isn't Cinemax! -- Jerry)
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To: dirtboy
Sorry, but any joke or reference to a bomb was a serious air security matter long before TSA came into existence.

Oh so true. We hosted an exchange student from Germany in 1981/82. He was going home for a break and was in line with his stuff to go through the metal detectors and x-rays. He asked his girlfriend why they needed to open his camera. She replied that they were checking to make sure it wasn't a bomb. All the agent heard was "bomb". He almost didn't make his flight.

But, that was in an age where there was still some common sense. They took her explanation at face value and let him go with a warning to both that it would be best not to say things like that in security areas.

26 posted on 02/23/2004 9:22:52 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: jjm2111
Larry needs to stop making "off the cuff" remarks.
27 posted on 02/23/2004 9:25:16 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: jjm2111
Ya know, the TSA guys/gals here in Boise are pretty nice people to deal with. Very friendly and efficient. Would rather deal with them than just about anywhere else. It's probably a crap job, but they have a good nature to them. It seems that many of them are old enough to have a clue and didn't just get out of the lock-up like those found in other airports.
28 posted on 02/23/2004 9:26:08 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: blackdog
You're right about something like this creating a diversion. Since terrorists usually work in teams, one could "joke" about "hey, it's not like I have a bomb or something in there". TSA would swoop on him and then the real terrorist might be a few people back in line waiting to go through while the flock is feeding on the decoy.
29 posted on 02/23/2004 9:28:21 AM PST by Sender ("This is the most important election in the history of the world." -DU)
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To: xjcsa
xjcsa wrote:
In this case, Larry wasn't really detained because anybody thought he was a serious terrorist threat. He was detained for being an idiot.
No, Larry was detained because the TSA folks were idiots.

Please explain how any flight was more secure because of Larry Klayman's detention? If this action by the TSA didn't actually enhance the safety and security of some airline flight, what is the TSA's justification for detaining Lary Klayman?

30 posted on 02/23/2004 10:11:11 AM PST by cc2k
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To: jjm2111
TSA may have been out of control but the Clymer knows a bit about bomb scares on planes..... So he should have better sense than to joke about it one way or the other.... Remember his trip to Brussels to file suit against Castro? Here's a snippet.....

As United Flight 950 took off, the flight crew seemed tense, fully aware that only days had elapsed since airports were again operating after the World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist bombings. .........

Sure enough, less than 15 minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant's voice announced on the public intercom system that a metal canister, one foot high and several inches wide, had rolled out from under a passenger's seat. She asked the passengers in English, French and Flemish to claim it. When on the first occasion no one did so, she asked two more times. By that time, the atmosphere in the cabin had grown tense. Even before I was about to predict that we would have to make an emergency landing, the plane banked hard left. ..........

And the rambling tale goes on........


31 posted on 02/23/2004 10:26:01 AM PST by deport ( BUSH - CHENEY 2004 .....)
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To: Sender
I've alway's told my kids, wife and friends to be wary of any scene. An argument in a restaraunt, a fight in the mall, an irate customer at a mini-mart, or a ruckus at any public place.

One time we were in a diner having dinner. There was a table in the back corner that suddenly got really upset with their food. Way too much so for a diner. They threw a plate, demanded the cook and manager come to the table, etc......While everyone was watching this display, a table of eight guys walked out the front door without paying their bill. Once the eight guys had enough time to get in their car, the table hating their food and throwing things became subdued and settled for whatever the manager arranged. The whole thing was a rouse for the guys to walk out on a $100 bill.

You had to look away from the distraction to catch the whole thing. It was a great lesson for my kids on not getting robbed, pick pocketed, mugged, etc......Alway's watch the area where the chaos isn't.

32 posted on 02/23/2004 12:14:39 PM PST by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: blackdog
...a sign that say's he thinks airline security is a joking matter ...


When TSA is a JOKE, then it's not a stretch to say that it is a joking matter.
33 posted on 02/23/2004 1:16:19 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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