Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Governor's 'hydrogen highway' realistic by 2010, official says
AP via Contra Costa Times ^ | Feb. 25, 2004 | DON THOMPSON

Posted on 02/25/2004 7:25:48 PM PST by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's top environmental aide told state lawmakers Wednesday the new governor's vision of a "hydrogen highway" to spur the ultimate replacement of the internal combustion engine is realistic by 2010, and won't even cost the state much money.

Schwarzenegger pledged to build hydrogen fueling stations every 20 miles along major highways, allowing motorists to buy clean-burning hydrogen-fueled vehicles without fear they will run out of gas.

He chose 2010 because that's when automakers have said such vehicles will be readily and affordably available, said Environmental Protection Secretary Terry Tamminen, who advised Schwarzenegger before he made his campaign promise during last fall's recall election.

Tamminen equated the effort to putting a man on the moon, and joined other witnesses in urging that California lead the way.

"California does invent the future," Tamminen said. Though there are plenty of unknowns, "There are no show-stoppers. The only area where some of us disagree is on timing."

The cost is still too high, warned California Energy Commission member Jim Boyd.

And Toyota Motor Co.'s Bill Reinert said that despite a decade of research and development, any promises are premature. The automotive industry still is years away from developing the smaller, cheaper, more efficient and longer lasting fuel cells that are needed before consumers will buy many hydrogen-fueled vehicles, Reinert said.

"We're not even close to solving storage technology issues yet," Reinert said. Though he expects technology will develop "dramatically" over the next few years, "We still have significant challenges along the way."

Other witnesses before the Assembly Select Committee on Air and Water Quality said the so-called "hydrogen revolution" won't happen without a strong push by the state and federal governments.

"We need a sense of mission about this," said S. David Freeman, a top energy aide to former Gov. Gray Davis who now heads a company doing aftermarket hydrogen vehicle conversions.

Moreover, that hydrogen must come from biomass, solar or other renewable energy, not fossil fuels, Freeman said, "otherwise we're just putting coal in the tank." He said the state should consider floating more long-term debt to pay for additional technological and infrastructure development.

But Tamminen said the cost to the state could be minimal.

Schwarzenegger's proposed network amounts to about 200 fueling stations, a fraction of California's 10,000 retail gasoline stations, Tamminen said.

Twenty-five of those stations will soon be available, and Tamminen projected more can be built by universities, waste conversion stations and automakers at little cost to the state. If California can win $20 million to $30 million of the $1.7 billion President Bush promised for hydrogen research, Tamminen said the combination will pay most of the estimated $100 million cost of Schwarzenegger's proposal.

Even if those stations serve a million hydrogen vehicles, he acknowledged they alone won't make a significant dent in the air pollution caused by the projected 30 million vehicles that will crowd California highways by 2010.

But it's a good step, Tamminen said, along with more mass transit and retiring the heaviest polluting diesel and gas-powered engines.

"California is uniquely positioned to be a national leader in the hydrogen revolution," urged Dan Sperling, director of the Institute of Transportation Studies at the University of California, Davis, because of its existing edge in technology and experts. "California needs to think big here."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; energy; fuelcell; hydrogen; hydrogenhighway; knife; tamminem
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

1 posted on 02/25/2004 7:25:51 PM PST by calcowgirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge; farmfriend; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Ernest_at_the_Beach; *calgov2002
Ping!
2 posted on 02/25/2004 7:26:37 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: farmfriend
Ping


3 posted on 02/25/2004 7:27:36 PM PST by rdb3 (Don`t be afraid doing tasks you`re not familiar with. Remember, Noah's ark was built by an amateur.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
The "Hydrogen Highway" is all well and good.

But look out for the "Methane Median." <|:)~
4 posted on 02/25/2004 7:27:47 PM PST by martin_fierro (THERE IS NUTHIN' LIKE A DAME)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
a total pipe dream.
5 posted on 02/25/2004 7:28:29 PM PST by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
6 posted on 02/25/2004 7:31:27 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
Schwarzenegger pledged to build hydrogen fueling stations every 20 miles along major highways

Phew! Glad that pesky budget deficit is over with!

7 posted on 02/25/2004 7:35:35 PM PST by JennysCool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
The hydrogen production facilities can be built in Nevada. That way no pollution will be produced in California!!! Cool!

BTW, Do you ever feel like you are always dealing with ignorant people?

8 posted on 02/25/2004 7:44:28 PM PST by tagatose
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tagatose
hydrogen highway bust or BOOM!!!
9 posted on 02/25/2004 7:52:51 PM PST by Flavius ("... we should reconnoitre assiduosly... " Vegetius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
Just exactly where does Ahhhnald propose to get the hydrogen?
10 posted on 02/25/2004 7:52:53 PM PST by RBroadfoot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
Just exactly where does Ahhhnald propose to get the hydrogen?
11 posted on 02/25/2004 7:53:00 PM PST by RBroadfoot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
This has to be the most innovative, science fiction presentation I've seen since the genius of Gene Roddenberry.

200 fueling stations ... 30 million vehicles... 2010 ... readily available fuel cell vehicles ... floating more long term debt ... from biomass, solar or other renewable energy ... Twenty-five of those stations will soon be available ...

12 posted on 02/25/2004 8:01:01 PM PST by Amerigomag
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
This is crap.
It takes 45 (forty five) kilowatt-hours of electricity to turn water into hydrogen,
equivalent to one gallon of gasoline.
If all the electricity used by the US was, instead,
used to make hydrogen, that much hydrogen would be the
energy equivalent of two-thirds
of the gasoline the US uses.
13 posted on 02/25/2004 8:03:23 PM PST by greasepaint
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Amerigomag
This will go the way of California's earlier mandate for electric cars by a date certain in the late 1990s. The date came and went, but I'd be surprised to learn that electric cars comprise 1/2% of California's vehicle fleet.

I think the politicians think that they can repeal the laws of physics as well as the laws of economics and the laws of the Almighty.

I reckon one can imagine anything if one smokes enough pot.
14 posted on 02/25/2004 8:11:05 PM PST by RBroadfoot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: tagatose
BTW, Do you ever feel like you are always dealing with ignorant people?

Only when I'm not on FR, ;-)

15 posted on 02/25/2004 8:19:44 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: RBroadfoot
"I reckon one can imagine anything if one smokes enough pot."

Imagine...John Lennon...Pot

Yup, you're right! ;)
16 posted on 02/25/2004 8:19:56 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Amerigomag
Even if it is possible, the technology becomes terrorist targets. Example - AQ terrorist rents truck with largest hydrogen tank. Puts a remote detonator on the tank, and drives it into the closest building and detonate. No need to rent a wharehouse and spend weeks to mix a large fertilizer bomb and risk detection. Rent one from Ryder Trucks. Can one say Hindenburg on four wheels.
17 posted on 02/25/2004 8:51:33 PM PST by Fee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl; snopercod; Carry_Okie; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert357; Boot Hill; ...
Hey! Here's an energy crisis flashback!!! Plus more bondage being suggested!!!

"We need a sense of mission about this," said S. David Freeman, a top energy aide to former Gov. Gray Davis who now heads a company doing aftermarket hydrogen vehicle conversions.

Moreover, that hydrogen must come from biomass, solar or other renewable energy, not fossil fuels, Freeman said, "otherwise we're just putting coal in the tank." He said the state should consider floating more long-term debt to pay for additional technological and infrastructure development."

18 posted on 02/25/2004 9:19:47 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism is NOW beyond the point of "Diminishing Returns!" GANG-GREEN is setting in!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl
He said the state should consider floating more long-term debt to pay for additional technological and infrastructure development."

This is getting ridiculous!

19 posted on 02/25/2004 9:37:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
He said the state should consider floating more long-term debt to pay for additional technological and infrastructure development."

This is getting ridiculous!
--------------------------

Yes it is ridiculous. They need ALL of their checkbooks and credit cards cut up. They are selling out this state. I think it was Amerigomag that referred to it as Arnie's IPO. Arnie didn't start it, but it needs to stop NOW. The State should not be indebted to anyone!

So... Ernest... please... I'm beggin' ya.... Vote NO on 57/58! ;-)

20 posted on 02/25/2004 9:51:58 PM PST by calcowgirl (No on Propositions 55, 56, 57, 58)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson