The Missing People Shredder

The Guardian ^ | February 25, 2004 | Brendan O'Neill

[alpowolf]

Anybody have real evidence to refute this article?

[cripplecreek]

We call them mass graves.

[Lunatic Fringe]

I suppose the absense of the people shredder makes the perception of Saddam as being a monster LESS compelling to these folks?

See... he wasn't such a bad guy after all!

[Numbers Guy]

Let me get this straight. So if there's no proof that Saddam's minions fed people into shredder, but rather merely tortured them, tore off their limbs, raped their wives in front of them, and murdered them in numerous other brutal ways, that means Saddam's regime should still be in power?

[roses of sharon]

An ABC reporter, and a ex CIA agent, did a report from the Sons palaces, standing next to a shredder.

I recall it, and the CIA guy's face was familiar, (he wrote a book), can't think of a name now.

But no matter, Saddam and Sons are innocent, Bush is evil, and dangerous.

The left's values at work again.

[null and void]

I'd love to ask Kerry the following:

"Mr. Kerry, you have said that the US Military overthrow of Saddam Hussein was wrong. As President of the United States will your first act to correct this wrong be to restore Saddam as President of Iraq? If not, why not?"

[sausageseller]

If I lived underground my whole life would that mean the sun never existed...

We don't have Hitlers body therefore he never existed...

I could go on and on for the dishonest writer, yet it would make no difference to him!

[Gefreiter]

Don't waste your time. People like this writer will
NEVER be convinced that any war can be a positive force. They do not draw conclusions from evidence but hold certain viewpoints, and twist and turn information until they feel their views are "prooved".

He's hung up on whether or not there was a shredder, but there's no question about mass graves. Same idea as the people who fret about whether the US/UK is fighting according to the accepted traditions of battlefield conduct, yet not comment on armed men using a mosque as a fortification.

On any given issue, the US is always wrong and the arabs, Chinese, North Koreans, or other dictatorial regime are always right. Evidence does not apply.

[T Minus Four]

Very good!

[American_Centurion]

Whatever.

I have personally seen video of Saddam's "police" dropping tied men from the roof of a police station and letting them die slowly from their injuries, if they weren't lucky enough to land on their head.

So there wasn't a shredder, that must mean Saddam's regime was kind to his people.

[BSunday]

That's an outstanding question! There's bound to be an opportunity for a freeper to ask him that this election season.

[American_Centurion]

A kinder gentler Iraqi government.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Does anyone have real evidence to back this story?

CG

[davisfh]

"...the evidence suggests it never existed"

I've always know that there is good in everyone and you've just proven it.

[Shooter 2.5]

An Iraqi who worked as a doctor in the hospital attached to Abu Ghraib prison tells me there was no shredding machine in the prison. The Iraqi, who wishes to remain anonymous, describes the prison as "horrific". Part of his job was to attend to those who had been executed. Did he ever attend to, or hear of, prisoners who had been shredded? "No." Did any of the other doctors at Abu Ghraib speak of a shredding machine used to execute prisoners? "No, never. As far as I know [hanging] was the only form of execution used there."

How exactly could a doctor attend a patient who was passed through a shredder?

[alpowolf]

Hmmm...nothing so far.

I think this is important, because truth is important. I know that's a bit out of fashion with our "ends justifies the means" pro-Bush folks. But if the case for war was so complete and compelling, why was there a need for this bullshit propaganda story?

[Paradox]

But if the case for war was so complete and compelling, why was there a need for this bullshit propaganda story?

Why does everything that come up negative, have to have been a lie from a propaganda campain? Sheesh, this thinking is so idiotic. A few other possibilities, the machine was taken out of service and removed way before the war, or perhaps it was an Iraqi urban legend based on something else, perhaps the fact that the regime was cruel and inhumane. OR, perhaps the Bush Administration went back in time to 1996 and planted the story so that British author could write about it... hmmmm. Paging Mr. Occam...

[Theo]

I wonder the same. No doubt Sadaam and his family and supporters were very very cruel. But I'm interested in knowing the truth too.

[alpowolf]

This is simple. If somebody peddles a story as fact without evidence to back it up, that is propaganda. Sure, there are a thousand different conceivable scenarios that would explain why there is no evidence. But that is true of virtually any assertion. I could claim that Bush did indeed plant the shredder; what would you do? Demand proof of course. As you should.

[null and void]

That's an outstanding question! There's bound to be an opportunity for a freeper to ask him that this election season.

That is my hope.