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Five Reasons Not to Go See The Passion of Christ
The Banner of Truth: Biblical Christianity through Literature ^ | February 19, 2004 | Andrew J. Webb

Posted on 02/27/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by Weirdad

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To: nmh
It's not a concern to me and I don't see violence being emphasized, it's certainly part of the Passion, just not the entire part.

I would also speculate that it's (pain) probably the part that humans can relate to, I can't speak for all humans, but I don't know how hard the spiritual side of it was for Jesus so I have to make do with the part I can come close to understanding.

That doesn't mean that I can't recognize there are other parts.
281 posted on 03/01/2004 2:16:26 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: rudy45
I'm fine. You?

Emmerich...doubt it. Good movie too!
282 posted on 03/01/2004 9:37:08 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Weirdad
The trouble with this article is that is was written in a language it's mouth-breathing believers can't understand. Click here to have it translated by Psyclops.
283 posted on 03/01/2004 9:52:08 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Weirdad
There are those who know why they are Protestants.

Then there are those who are so unsure about their own beliefs that they have become anti-Catholics rather than Protestants...Like the author of this piece of bigotry.

I don't think any Protestant is going to convert to Catholicism because of this movie (they might convert because they are impressed with Mel Gibson's convictions). However, I think this movie is going to make Protestants into better Protestants and Catholics into better Catholics. And clearly the attacks on this movie are going to unite Protestants and Catholics.

284 posted on 03/01/2004 10:11:09 AM PST by kidd
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To: hope
THE church will always be divided over doctrinal differences...one thing this movie does is show that Christ came for all, gave up His life for all, and rose again for all.

. . . of the elect

(speaking of doctrinal differences) :-)

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

John 15:16

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit–fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

Romans 8:28-30

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Ephesians 1:3-5

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

285 posted on 03/01/2004 6:43:05 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Dec31,1999
Only if that person was you.
286 posted on 03/01/2004 10:45:47 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: nmh
I hope your shallow view matures to what Christ did for ALL and all that is asked for is belief in Him and doing our best to follow His teachings in the Bible.

I hope your shallow view matures to see the consequences of throwing "ands" into the salvational requirements. Without salvation it's fatuous to refer to "growth." The blood and gore was there for a reason; is it in vain that such well known hymns as "Rock of Ages" ('cleft for me, let me hide myself in Thee; let the WATER and the BLOOD, from THY RIVEN SIDE WHICH FLOWED, be of sin the double cure, save me from its guilt and power') refer to this rather, ahem, untidy event of history?

287 posted on 03/02/2004 10:16:36 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: nmh
The torture, mutilation, blood and gore are a picture of something which goes eternally deeper, quite philosophically granted; but most importantly they were a God-designated, God-ordained, God-blessed picture of that something. We substitute airy, modern philosophizations at our own peril. Make the blood and gore into an icon to be worshiped for its own sake? NEVER, EVER. Remember it and its gut impact as the most striking picture possible on mortal soil? A millon times YES!!!
288 posted on 03/02/2004 10:25:25 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: Weirdad
5 Reasons not to be a Protestant:

1. National Council of Churches
2. National Council of Churches
3. National Council of Churches
4. National Council of Churches
5. National Council of Churches.


With that said, I am Protestant. This endless Catholic bashing and theological nit-picking is getting old.

289 posted on 03/02/2004 10:33:47 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
this film emphasizes Christ's physical suffering at the expense of the suffering of his soul for sin.

Having seen the film, I strongly disagree with this assessment.

290 posted on 03/02/2004 11:19:19 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: drlevy88
It is NOT the blood and gore that should remain in your eye and heart but rather the total separation from God that Christ experienced for us to have eternal life IF we believe in Him.

Just like in a rape, the physical will heal. It is the EMOTIONAL aspect that has difficulty. The same is true of Christ - the separation from God, EMOTIONAL that is what is most important for us to remember and understand.
291 posted on 03/03/2004 5:41:04 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Just like in a rape, the physical will heal

Unless it kills you

292 posted on 03/03/2004 2:07:42 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: AmericaUnited
From your answer, my original observation is confirmed. The concept is pretty simple, but the words ex cathedra certainly won't help explain it when you are so intent on misunderstanding.
293 posted on 03/05/2004 7:39:50 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: austinTparty
The concept is pretty simple, but the words ex cathedra certainly won't help explain it

Especially when I only speak English, and not Catholicease.

294 posted on 03/06/2004 2:43:59 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Shermy
People just don't understand that it is not about anti-semitism, and or is it about Catholicism vs. Protestantism. No! It is about truth and error, and worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth.

This film, as you have stated, is based on a little book written by a Catholic spiritist whom he [Mel Gibson] believes was given the gist of prophecy.

Let me ask the peanut gallery, why do you think it was so important to Mel Gibson that he personally appear before James Dobson, one of the nation's leading evangelicals, seeking approval of his film?

ANSWER: He was strategicaly gaining the approval of Protestants for the most ecuminical effort in the history of Vatican II.

To answer the question about the wether or not it is better that one goes to hell than to become a Catholic, I must reply. The question is faulty, because (1) it assumes Catholics who honor the Pope as the "Vicar of Christ", and Mary as the co-redemptrix, will escape the wrath of God poured out without mixture, and (2) it denies the fact Catholicism (spiritualism, mysticism, etc.) is just as much a strong hold as worldy persuits. Both groups are in bondage, period.

But God does love these dear people, and He has genuine Christians in the Catholic Church. Revelation 13 & 17 depicts this chruch as the harlot, or Babylon, and those who are drunk with her wine are apostate believers. However, He is calling His own out of that system, which clearly indicates that their are indeed sincere Christians ignorantly united with the Catholic Church, but truly seeking Christ and His righteousness.

We must not unite with Rome, not on our commnalities, though they appear to be basic gospel doctrines. They are not, how could they while professing to believe in Mary as the co-mediator and co-redemptrix? How could they while believing that salvation was not paid in full, and that we are obliged to pay indulgences, and pray our relatives out of so called pergatory?
295 posted on 04/09/2004 2:08:35 PM PDT by innovations (In Spirit and in Truth)
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To: innovations
You just had to resurrect this divisive turkey. Why not learn to whittle in your spare time.
296 posted on 04/09/2004 2:13:20 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: kidd
Quote:
"Then there are those who are so unsure about their own beliefs that they have become anti-Catholics rather than Protestants..."




Sorry bud, but protestantism means to protest (protest-ant) against the Catholic Church and it's dogmas. It is because so many do not recognize what Protestanism is all about that they are willing to watch such a Marion film about The Passion of Mary's Son.

There are protestants many, but protest-ants few!
297 posted on 04/11/2004 8:06:22 PM PDT by innovations (In Spirit and in Truth)
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To: Stentor
Of coarse I had to "resurrect this divisive turkey". The Word is a double edged sword, and we are authorized to use it to discern between truth and error.

I would encourage all those who are still questioning whether or not this movie is ecuminical, Catholic, Marion, etc. and those who simply are stubborn and think that they know better and are stronger than the Devil, click on the link below and read the following article:

http://remnantofgod.org/Passion_Study_Guide.pdf
298 posted on 04/11/2004 8:22:11 PM PDT by innovations (In Spirit and in Truth)
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To: Weirdad; All
HOGWASH.

Not that SOME of the points are inaccurate . . .

HOGWASH THAT GOD HAD NO HAND IN THE MOVIE.

HOGWASH THAT GOD IS NOT USING THE MOVIE.

HOGWASH THAT GOD IS AS PRISSY, PAROCHIAL, and addicted to the letter of the law of man's notions of reality as the author and supporter of this article seem to be.

By the Bible's own standard, the fruit of this Movie is impressive already--INCLUDING, RATHER MIRACULOUSLY, IN MOSLEM LANDS!

The RELIGIOUS LEADERS of Jesus' dusty pathed days found long lists of reasons to not only avoid Christ, but to crucify HIM.

The mentality, tone, motivation etc. of this article strikes me as from the same source.

THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT I KNOW; THE RISEN CHRIST THAT I KNOW--GOD--IS BIGGER THAN SUCH MINISCULE MINDEDNESS.

He even uses satan. He can certainly use such an anointed and well done movie.

By their fruit shall you know them.

P*ssy-moany 'AGIN-IT' mentalities strike me almost always as from the pit instead of from the Heart of Jesus THE CHRIST, OUR RISEN LORD.

Sigh.
299 posted on 04/11/2004 8:32:32 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Weirdad
I don't think we need a mullah-like assessment of what we ought to think or believe.
300 posted on 04/11/2004 8:35:33 PM PDT by Natural Law
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