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To: nmh
"Even the worst physical torments inflicted by the Sanhedrin and the Romans upon Jesus were nothing by comparison to the anguish of having the sins of all the elect imputed to Him and making full satisfaction for them. "

And exactly how do you show that in a film??????

And exactly which of the Gospel accounts tells us about this particular fact in the course of their passion narratives?

This should be good...

108 posted on 02/27/2004 9:33:35 PM PST by Ronzo (Check out my web site: www.theodicy.org)
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To: Ronzo
"And exactly how do you show that in a film?????? "

Flashbacks on his interaction with people depicting how He loved them even if they didn't like him. I understand there is a flash back with Mary picking Him up as a baby when He fell. Of course this is embellishment. It's not so hard to portray. Instead the violence of His death is all that seems to be stressed.

I realize you won't take my sincere answer seriously but that's okay. Maybe you'll come around and get to know God through the Bible and finally SEE what He really did for you. "And exactly which of the Gospel accounts tells us about this particular fact in the course of their passion narratives? "

Many do. Maybe this will encourage you to read your Bible instead of a mere fallible mortal telling you what to believe ... .

The "physical pain" (human) and suffering that Christ suffered "in the flesh" on the tree that day, was nothing compared to His REAL SUFFERING.

We often hear of the physical pain that Christ suffered on the cross for out sins. The pain of the nails being driven into His hands and feet, and how excruciating the pain must have been when the cross was righted and dropped into the hole that supported the cross.

We hear how this sudden jerk widened the nail holes, as Christ's body weight was supported only by the nails driven through His flesh. All this is true, but emphasizing only on the physical pain, MASKS the real pain our Lord suffered which far outweighed the physical.

God chose to have Him die a shameful and physically excruciating death, but we cannot look at Christ's death on only that perspective. There is much more to His death than that outlook alone.

The thing that God hates MOST is SIN, and God placed ALL the sins of the world, past, present and future, on Him as He hung on the Tree. Not only "that" but Christ BECAME SIN on the Cross-that day. (2 Cor 5:21)

It was so hard for God to bear - He turned away and Jesus asked my God, why have you forsaken me? He didn't of course.

When Jesus was dying He stated "IT IS FINISHED" (John 19:30) and it is. It is not the crucification that is so important but the fact that He took on our sin because He loves us all and ideally wants all of us to be with Him in heaven. Of course not ALL will be there with Him.
It was SIN that killed Christ. It was OUR sin - the sins of the Jews and the Gentiles. The wages of sin is death and He willingly took on our punishment.

From the 6th hour (around noon) to the 9th hour (3 p.m.) Christ was SPIRITUALLY SUFFERING on that Tree. God had abandoned/turned His back on His Son., as Christ has BECOME SIN "for us" and God cannot look upon sin. (Mark 15:33-37) God cannot tolerate sin. He is Holy so He had to look away.

226 posted on 02/28/2004 8:33:47 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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