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SA to take arms to Haiti
News24

Posted on 02/28/2004 5:03:40 AM PST by Ironfocus

28/02/2004 09:07 Erika Gibson

Pretoria - A South African air force plane will leave for Haiti early next week to support the country's government.

The Boeing 747 is expected to leave as early as Tuesday morning after Police requested the flight.

On board the plane would be 5 000 bullets, 200 smoke grenades and 200 bullet-proof vests, according to a document in local newspaper Beeld's possession.

In South African terms, R-1 rifles are old-fashioned, but according to specialists, they are similar the French FN-rifles still being used by Haiti police.

Foreign Affairs spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa could neither confirm or deny reports, as Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma was in Brazil and out of reach on a cellphone.

Bheki Khumalo of the Presidency was also unaware of the request.

Senior Superintendent Sally de Beer, spoekesperson for Police Commissioner Jackie Selebi, denied that South African policemen would be sent to Haiti.

Selebi was "busy with official duties" and couldn't be reached.

The government was recently lambasted for donating R10m to Haiti for the 200th anniversary of the island's "first black republic".

When a high-placed delegation, led by President Thabo Mbeki, attended the celebrations, resentment was already growing against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide's government. His human rights record was being questioned.

After the visit, the South African government undertook to help train Haiti's police force in crowd control. From Haiti is has been alleged that South Africa is providing Aristide's police force with arms and equipment. These allegations have been denied.

The Boeing 747 can carry 200 passengers but can also partially or completely turned into a cargo plane.

Aristide requested the international community on Friday to help restore order after rebels announced that they would attack the capital Port au Prince.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: fast; gonaives; guyphilippe; haiti; haitian; kerry; louisjodelchamblain; marines; metayer; nrlf; rebels; southafrica
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1 posted on 02/28/2004 5:03:40 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus
On board the plane would be 5 000 bullets, 200 smoke grenades and 200 bullet-proof vests, according to a document in local newspaper Beeld's possession. In South African terms, R-1 rifles are old-fashioned, but according to specialists, they are similar the French FN-rifles still being used by Haiti police.

5,000 rounds doesn't sound like much. Maybe they mean 500,000. An R1 is a metric pattern FAL. (7.62x51)

2 posted on 02/28/2004 5:14:18 AM PST by Spandau
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To: Ironfocus
Can you please post the link? Thanks.
3 posted on 02/28/2004 5:15:52 AM PST by Spandau
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1490904,00.html

Here you go.
4 posted on 02/28/2004 5:16:59 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus
Thanks. Maybe they meant 5,000 rifles instead of bullets.
5 posted on 02/28/2004 5:25:53 AM PST by Spandau
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To: Spandau
Wonderful. Now when is Chavez going to announce aid to the murderous Aristide?
6 posted on 02/28/2004 5:34:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Ironfocus
Monroe Doctrine needed in emergency room -- stat!
7 posted on 02/28/2004 5:45:34 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: Ironfocus
"they are similar the French FN-rifles still being used by Haiti police."

So I guess there re-sale value is going to go down,now that they have been dropped twice.
8 posted on 02/28/2004 6:10:16 AM PST by Redcoat LI ("If you're going to shoot,shoot,don't talk" Tuco BenedictoPacifico Juan Maria Ramirez)
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To: Ironfocus
5 000 bullets, 200 smoke grenades and 200 bullet-proof vests,

Sounds like a mighty small load for a 747.

The Boeing 747 can carry 200 passengers but can also partially or completely turned into a cargo plane.

Sounds like a mighty small load for a 747.

9 posted on 02/28/2004 9:48:18 AM PST by PAR35
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This may be a symbolic gesture from Mbeki, remember he visited Haiti just a few weeks ago, and paid $1.5mil for the party. SA taxpayers money well spent, and now he will do it again. Good thing all SAfricans have food, water, homes, AIDS drugs, and are safe in the streets and their own homes. Otherwise one may think it's a complete waste of money. Good thing the noble Canadians will be going, the ammo must be for them.
10 posted on 02/28/2004 1:01:01 PM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus
A South African air force plane will leave for Haiti early next week to support the country's government.

Next week may be a tad late.

11 posted on 02/28/2004 1:13:37 PM PST by GreenHornet
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It may still be in time to take Aristide on an extended state visit to SA.
12 posted on 02/28/2004 3:51:45 PM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Spandau
I don't think so. I think this is one of those, "We support you[just not much].

From the other thread:
"The Beeld newspaper reported on Saturday that an South African Air Force Boeing is expected to fly to Haiti on Tuesday with a cargo of 150 R1 rifles and 5000 bullets."
13 posted on 02/28/2004 8:26:49 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Spandau
"Thanks. Maybe they meant 5,000 rifles instead of bullets."

LOL, I have more bullets than that.

14 posted on 02/28/2004 8:31:53 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I guess that 747 was too slow... he already bolted.
15 posted on 02/29/2004 6:44:01 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus
Fox News stated that Aristede has already fled to the Dominican Republic and may be seeking asylum in Panama among other places.
16 posted on 02/29/2004 6:52:34 AM PST by scouse
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To: Spandau
5,000 rounds doesn't sound like much. Maybe they mean 500,000. An R1 is a metric pattern FAL. (7.62x51)

5000 rounds would have been plenty for the 150 rifles being sent. But not much of a match for the 800 M1 Garands the rebels landed on Monday.

Along with the mines and grenades.

17 posted on 03/03/2004 1:04:17 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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Have you seen what condition those Garands are in? I saw one on the news the other night. It looked liked it hadn't been cleaned since the Korean War.

While the rebels may have those SAs outgunned, I seriously doubt they have them outtrained.

Just my 2 cents.

L

18 posted on 03/03/2004 1:24:44 PM PST by Lurker (Don't bite the hand that meads you.)
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Have you seen what condition those Garands are in? I saw one on the news the other night. It looked liked it hadn't been cleaned since the Korean War.

While the rebels may have those SAs outgunned, I seriously doubt they have them outtrained.

Just my 2 cents.

L

Indeed, since some have been buried or otherwise hidden since 1994. And some are mechanically dubious, with tape holding humidity-cracked foreends or handguards together; some are also noticibly missing their rear sights. And the slings on most have dissappeared, to be used as belts or tiedown strapping.

But most still shoot, and the Garand is pretty sturdy, reliable even filthy to an extent more than most recent weapons other than the Kalishnikov. And many of those rebels have been trained by US Special Forces advisors to the Haitian military in the 1988-94 period, as well as abroad in Equador, as was Guy Phillippe. And recently in Mexico, as well. Where plenty of parts and ammo for older Garands can still be found....

19 posted on 03/03/2004 1:51:21 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: Lurker
Have you seen what condition those Garands are in? I saw one on the news the other night. It looked liked it hadn't been cleaned since the Korean War.

While the rebels may have those SAs outgunned, I seriously doubt they have them outtrained.

Just my 2 cents.

L

Indeed, since some have been buried or otherwise hidden since 1994. And some are mechanically dubious, with tape holding humidity-cracked foreends or handguards together; some are also noticibly missing their rear sights. And the slings on most have dissappeared, to be used as belts or tiedown strapping.

But most still shoot, and the Garand is pretty sturdy, reliable even filthy to an extent more than most recent weapons other than the Kalishnikov. And many of those rebels have been trained by US Special Forces advisors to the Haitian military in the 1988-94 period, as well as abroad in Equador, as was Guy Phillippe. And recently in Mexico, as well. Where plenty of parts and ammo for older Garands can still be found....

20 posted on 03/03/2004 1:51:26 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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