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'Passion' shakes North Jersey clergy to the core
The Record of Hackensack ^ | 02.29.04

Posted on 02/29/2004 5:59:33 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus
"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

Isn't it basic Christian theology that Jesus was sent to die for mankind's sins? I'm not Christian so correct me if I'm wrong. Correct me on the theological point that is, not on my beliefs. 8>)

What bothers me isn't that this priest has this belief -- I mean, it doesn't matter to me. What bothers me is that he would be -- or at least act -- so shocked that people would actually believe what (I think) is the traditional Christian belief.

41 posted on 02/29/2004 6:39:16 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: sobieski
"Saved a very special and unique individual like me."
42 posted on 02/29/2004 6:39:35 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Coleus
"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church
of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

has this guy read the Bible?
43 posted on 02/29/2004 6:39:43 PM PST by votelife (Elect a Filibuster Proof Majority)
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To: Coleus
"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham. "God sent his son to live, to be faithful. And in being faithful, it cost him his life.''

I'm wondering what others of the same faith feel about the above statement?

44 posted on 02/29/2004 6:40:07 PM PST by VOYAGER (!)
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To: Coleus
GO TO OPRAH !!

45 posted on 02/29/2004 6:40:17 PM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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To: sobieski
When we sing "Amazing Grace", he gives us a lecture that we shouldn't sing "Saved a wretch like me" but "saved a person like me".

Go ahead and wreck a great song. Y'know, I have more traditional Christian belief that this guy does, and I'm not even Christian.

46 posted on 02/29/2004 6:40:42 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: davisfh
I think this priest is having some internal conflicts. I don't believe he has ever had a true religious experience with God yet.

If you understand that Jesus's blood was shed for our sins, then you should understand this film.
47 posted on 02/29/2004 6:41:39 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
That priest is a heretic.
48 posted on 02/29/2004 6:41:55 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: mgstarr
More specific please. How is he a heretic?
49 posted on 02/29/2004 6:42:26 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Revolting cat!
You are not allowed to dislike this entertainment vehicle! We sentence you to 100 lashes!

I love sarcasm, except for the ignorant kind.

The reason he disliked it is because it accurately depicts the core of the faith he supposedly has given his life over to. That's as screwy as your post.

50 posted on 02/29/2004 6:42:47 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Coleus
in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch

Right. He certainly didn't send Him to be molested by you and your kind. Have you even thought of that? The next child you abuse could be the Messiah...

51 posted on 02/29/2004 6:43:57 PM PST by Fenris6
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To: Jeff Chandler
Entertainment vehicle!
52 posted on 02/29/2004 6:43:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
one who believes some doctrine contrary to the established faith or prevailing religion

That was from Webster's Dictionary. Next.

53 posted on 02/29/2004 6:48:13 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: Coleus
Well, this Jew saw it this afternoon.

I really didn't think we came off nearly as badly as the Romans (except for Pilate and Claudia) who were portrayed as Nazis. They did all the beating, and most of the taunting.

Attendance here in northern NJ was heavy. I arrived at 3:00 at a multiplex type theater (I guess they're all that way nowadays.) that had 3:20 and 4:00 shows scheduled. The 3:20 was already sold out so I bought a ticket for the 4:00. When I came back at 3:30, the sign said the 4:00 was sold out too. But they opened an extra theater for the 4:00 while I was on line to get in, and the theater I was in was about two thirds full. When I left, they next two showings were sold out an hour before they were supposed to begin.

Nobody moves or talks while this movie is going on. (Well, almost nobody.) It's kind of eerie. I was surprised that when it was over, people got up rather quickly and left. I stayed for all the credits and the accompanying music which went on for about five minutes. There were fewer than a half dozen people who walked out with me.

What did I think? It was pretty good. I was probably one of the few in the audience who could understand some of the dialog. (I never took Latin, but one sort of acquires a bit anyway; and I know some Hebrew, and Aramaic is a cognate of Hebrew so some of what they say is recognizable.) I was a bit disappointed in the Aramaic accents. I don't really know what these are supposed to sound like, but I imagine more like Hebrew than English, and most did not.

I had some questions about the historicity. Here I apologize in advance for my less than through knowledge of the Gospels. But I wondered why all the Jews were up in the middle of the night when Jesus was taken. Also I thought it was supposed to be Passover time, but there was no reference to this nor were there any animals (for sacrifices) that I recall in any of the Temple scenes. Almost nothing was shot in Jerusalem, so some of the settings looked a bit strange. And since the Romans came off as the bad guys, flaying Jesus as they did, I wondered why the two thieves who were crucified along with Jesus didn't come in for the same treatment.

ML/NJ

54 posted on 02/29/2004 6:48:29 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: WestTexasWend
They did it is call the unitarians, they pray to whom it may concern.
55 posted on 02/29/2004 6:50:34 PM PST by dts32041 ( "Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments.")
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To: nickcarraway; BlessedBeGod; Coleus; Desdemona; B-Chan; ArrogantBustard; BlackElk; livius; ...
The Rev. Kenneth Lasch, a veteran Catholic priest, said he was repelled.

"I saw it as religious barbarism ... in my opinion, God did not send his son to die,'' said Lasch, of St. Joseph's Church of Mendham.

At first I thought, " I and my handbag only need fifteen minutes with this heretic." But, through the intervention of my guardian angel, I am being urged to put anger aside and to invite all of you good souls to join me in

Freeping this priest

Let us call the parish and also the Chancery and share our views regarding this Fr. Lash, the heresy he has spewed forth, and the dishonour he has brought upon Holy Mother Church.

56 posted on 02/29/2004 6:50:43 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Revolting cat!
Entertainment vehicle!

Nobody remotely connected to the film would accept that label for it. It is an act of love by Mel Gibson, and not a bit entertaining.

57 posted on 02/29/2004 6:51:16 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Coleus
But unlike those earlier religious blockbusters, "The Passion'' draws razor sharp theological lines that attract and repel.

"As I was sitting at the end of movie I thought, 'This is not bringing us together,''' he said. "This is increasing the separation.''

Wasn't it CS Lewis that said something to the effect that as the end of the world draws near everything and everyone will be divided. No more grey, just black and white, good and evil.
This is, in my opinion, just another example.

NKJ 2 Corinthians 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

58 posted on 02/29/2004 6:51:44 PM PST by Politically Correct
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To: Coleus
Faith Plano

I like this commentary maybe this priest should study this before he opens his mouth again:

"We too preach Christ crucified, even though we know this teaching of Jesus is offensive to many. Yet the Apostle wrote, "To us who are the called, it [the preaching of Christ crucified for our sin] is the power of God and the wisdom of God" (I Corinthians 1:24). That all hearers be "rooted and grounded in this love (of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:17), is also our earnest prayer. "He was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised (from the dead) because of our justification" (Romans 4:25). This is the love of God."

59 posted on 02/29/2004 6:52:55 PM PST by hometoroost
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To: mgstarr
I meant how does he differ from established faith.

I'm assuming it's that established faith is that God sent Jesus, "his only begotten" son to die. Not being Christian, I want to check that I have that correct.
60 posted on 02/29/2004 6:53:04 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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